Anti Ahmadiyya
Movement in Islam
My
Guestbook
13th
Oct 1997 - 20th Oct 1997
Mr Ahmad Qadiani! You didn't mention how you mirzai translates the
Quranic Aya 33:40 about Khataman Nabbiyyeen. And how these Muslim scholars
translated. From your posting I could know only that you know the names
of some Muslim scholars. Actually in mirzai't there are two sorts of mirzai
are found. One who are enemy of Islam and Islamic world. They are intellectually
corrupt they have satanic mind and unfortunately they are resourceful too.
The other mirzai's are intellectually dull. There fore these smart mirzai's
are making them fool. But I told you early here audience have brain in
their skulls. They have thinking ability. They can differentiate between
right and wrong. Look I tell you how to give reference some where. Here
I am quoting some sayings of Kazib Mirza. The actuall text is in "B" and
"C" class Urdu. But these translations are made by Mirzai hypocrite Imam
Bashir Ahmad. KAZIB Mirza said. I call Allah, the Glorious, to witness
that I am not a disbeliever. My doctrine is that there is no one worthy
of worship save Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah . I believe
concerning him that he was the Messenger of Allah and the Khataman Nabiyyeen.
I affirm the truth of this statement with as many oaths as are the Holy
names of Allah and as are the letters of the Holy Quran and as is the number
of the excellencies of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be
upon him. No belief of mine is contrary to the commands of Allah and His
Messenger. He who imagines anything contrary to this labors under a mis-conception.
(Karamatus Sadiqeen, p.25) The person who was above all, and was a perfect
man, and a perfect prophet, and who came with the fullness of blessings,
through whom, on account of his spiritual advent and the spiritual resurrection
that he brought about, the first judgment manifested itself and a whole
universe that was dead was revived, that blessed prophet Khatamul Anbiya,
Leader of the elect, Katamul Mursileen, Pride of the Prophets was Muhammad
Mustafa, peace and the blessings of Allah by upon him. (Itmamul Hujjah,
p.28) Allah is Glorious, Allah is Glorious; what a high station was that
of the Khatamul Anbiya, the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Glory
be to Allah, what high degree of light was his. (Braheen Ahmadiyya, p.246)
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belief that I hold in this life and with which, by the grace of Allah,
I shall pass on from this world is that our lord and master, Muhammad Mustafa,
peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was Khataman Nab6'yeen and the
best of Messengers. (Izala Auham, part I, p.137) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My belief is that our Holy Prophet is better and more exalted than all
the Messengers and is Khataman Nabiyyeen. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p.327)
I believe that our Holy Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa, peace and blessings
of Allah be upon him, is more exalted than all the Messengers and is the
Khatamul Anbiya. (Hamamatul Bushra, p.8) My belief is that our Holy Prophet
is better and more exalted than all the Messengers and is Khataman Nabiyyeen.
(Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p.327) I believe truly and perfectly in the verse
which says: 'But he was the Messenger of Allah and Khataman Nabiyyeen'.
(Ek Ghalti Ka Izala) The noteable thing is at all places Mirzai smarts
have used the arabic word. Why? Because they don't want to tell in what
meanings they are using this word. When you have translated all the text
then it was not difficult to say " Hazzarat Muhammad (Peace and blessings
be upon him and his family) is a last and final prophet in ever respect."
But they didn't say it. Because after this meanings it proves it self that
Mirza Ghulam was Kazib and Munafiq. Mr ahmad you are always referring us
your web page. Have you Mirzai's who are creating fuss here visited that
web site ever. You are doing cut and paste job but your ine mirzai fellow
mr ali saying it work hard because he does not this book is on the front
page of the web. Mr ahmad my advice to you is go and study thoroughly instead
of this "cut and paste" job. Perhaps one day you may get Haddayyet From
Almighty Allah .
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Monday, October
20, 1997 at 11:12:16 (EDT)
Dear Mr. Rumy, Mr. Khalid Ismail, Mr. Hasan, Mr. Informer and other
nonAhmadi visitors to this opage: Please answer my question below. I repeat
it here. Anumber of Muslim ulama whose names I have given in my comment
of Friday, Oct. 17 interpret Khatamannabiyyeen exactly as Ahmadis do. Please
tell me why don't you call them Kafirs/nonMuslims when you say so of Ahmadis.
The exact qoutations of the mentioned ulema are available at the followong
web address: www.alislam.org/pakistan/ref/khatam.htm (No l after htm please).
Kindly answer this question only. Rest of the comments may be given latter.
Thank yoVh
Ahmadi <n.o>
USA - Monday, October 20, 1997 at 09:55:52 (EDT)
if you are a true Muslim, then you wouldn't be talking all this
shit about otHERS
Y <Y>
Y, Y Y - Sunday, October 19, 1997 at 23:44:29 (EDT)
yOU ARE A MOTHER FUCKIN ASSHOLE!
Y <Y>
Y, Y Y - Sunday, October 19, 1997 at 23:39:20 (EDT)
What the hell r u talking about. Dont be spreading all these lies
about Ahmadi's like that. Only losers do that. Also what is ur definition
of a true Muslim. Huh!!!!!!! We are all Muslims. Now lets act that way.
One more thing,,, "MAY THE CURSE BE ON THE LIARS" OR IN OTHER WORDS,, YOU
y <y>
y, y y - Sunday, October 19, 1997 at 23:37:26 (EDT)
Brother Rumy: Last time Mirza had left his Pyjama outside the toilet
(because his body was discovered without pyjama). This pyjama is a holy
object for Qadianise and it is part of Qadiani Museum. Qadianise pays respect
to this pyjama when they visit their museum. Govt of Pakistan should declare
the toilet where Mirza had died, a historic site which will be holy for
Qadianise. So Pak tourism will earn a few dollars from visitors.
Informer <<>>
Lahore , Pakistan - Sunday, October 19, 1997 at 01:16:38 (EDT)
Drama: Enter Iblees. Audience: Rumy and Co. Iblees: Hello folks
how are you? Rumy, you look very happy. Rumy: Great master, today I have
responded to a rotten qadiani's comment in the guest book. And as usual
in my responses to these people I have completely ignored the arguments
given by them to prove that they are not agents of the British. I simply
stressed that it was written by Mirza Tahir and that I had read it before.
I also took a spite on their founder using the type of language you have
taught us over the last 100 years. I did not even mention the names of
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, Syed Ahmed Shahid, Maulana Muhammad Hussain Batalvi,
Maulana Maudoodi, and the other Muslim religious and political leaders
who had expressed views, similar to qadianis about the British. See how
I defeated their argument. Iblees: Well done my boy. I am proud of you.
Just keep calling them names. I will soon reward you with big success.
May be I shall give you a seat in the assembly . Did I not do it for all
your friends like Maulana Thanvi, Maulana Ghafoor and on and on? Have faith
in me and keep up this hate campaign. I talked to your brother Natenyahu
yeasterday. He told me that for the services rendered by you and your company
he is suggesting that you be given a seat on the Israeli board "Dealing
with the Muslim World". Now you should get strong. Don't let hatred for
these people die. The germ we are spreading in the Muslim world to help
the glorious state of Israel will strengthen. Muslims will be at each others'
throats. Then this so called Muslim world will be at our mercy. Ha ha.
My revenge for God having cursed me! But time is the essence of matter.
Go hurry up and write another story. Don't read what these qadianis say
in their defence. In our just satanic world they got no right to defend
themselves. Rumy: Yes master. Here I go with your blessings. Exit Rumy
and co. and IbleesVh
Ahmad <no.r>
Ca USA - Saturday, October 18, 1997 at 23:32:46 (EDT)
Mr. Rumy: Could you please respond to my comment below. I have listed
names of the past Muslim ulama whose interpretation of the word 'khatamannabiyyeen'
is the same as that of the Ahmadi Muslims. Please be kind to answer my
question only. Thank you. WassalaaVh
Ahmadi <n.o>
USA - Saturday, October 18, 1997 at 21:34:54 (EDT)
Mr. Ahmed Qadiani! I have read this article (Ahmadis & British)
somewhere else before .The author (more probably Mirza Nasir a Mirzai pope)
has tried to wash the dirty pajamas of Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani but
in a very funny way perhaps he has forgotten that audience are not always
dull. Most times they are wiser than speaker. When Mirza Nasir was reading
this article, his audience was dumm followers of mirzait but now the case
is different. People have a wise mind. You yourself read first few lines
of this article and think what it reflects. You will find it a funny justification
of a Mirza 's deeds and if you were impartial you will accept that people
are right that " Mirza Kazib was self implanted tree of British". Specially
when author says "…the promised messiah used the expression ' a tree planted
by the British' concerning his fore bears with reference to the services
rendered by them to the British. He has not employed this expression any
where concerning his claim or his status". Actually in this article author
tried to twist the meanings of a straight confession of Mirza. Kazib saying
" my client doesn't mean it. Opponents are lying." Perhaps he doesn't know
the judge (audience & readers) knows " the confession is confession".
Look Mr. Ahmad I am a Muslim (Alhamdolilah) . My prophet is Holy prophet
Hazzarat Muhammad (Peace be upon him and his family). His life was so neat
and clean that we Muslims never need to defend his deeds. His life was
exemplary. He (PBUH&F) and His all forefathers were Guard (MATAWALI)
of KA'ABA SHAREEF. Therefore Almighty Allah (SWT) says "Obey me and Obey
my prophet" . Have you seen the difference between A real prophet of God
and a Kazib prophet of British? Mirza Ahmed and all Mirzais open your eyes.
Even this article was enough for the people who have sight. The author
of this article Mirza Tahir was one of those wicked people who were defending
if Mirza had said " O people behold Queen Victoria had awarded me this
prophethood" . Even then this person was saying " No Mirza doesn't mean
it" And more probably his argues were like this " Here Victoria means Victory
and this victory is great victory therefore Mirza used the word Queen Victory,
then they will give reference from Urdu language that Victory is MONASS
(feminine) word therefore Queen Victory is right, and this was the prophesy
of these 3 million people who entered in our cult etc" . Otherwise the
wordings of Mirza Kazib " I am the ' self-implanted and self-cultivated
seedling' of the British Government" or " From my early age till now when
I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged, with my pen and tongue, in an
important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love &
goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to obliterate the
idea of JEHAD from the idea Hearts of Stupid (Muslims)." Is enough to understand
that the tree of his prophet hood was implanted by British therefore he
was Kazib Prophet. May Almighty Allah (SWT) give you HADDAYET. Ameen.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, October
18, 1997 at 10:49:55 (EDT)
Ahmad Qadiani: So you have another fake dream drama, more stronger
than the previous one. The actual Iblees is misguiding the rest of the
world but he created a metaphoric Iblees in the shape of Mirza Tahir espacially
for muslims. Who creates fake dreams, visions and divine experiences and
then muck the stoooopid qadianese. The ignorant qadianese worship the ugly
, filthy, munafiq and liar Mirza Tahir. The headquarter of this metaphoric
Iblees is al-fazal mosque (a disguise). This Iblees junior runs a network
against the Muslim ummah from his 'Aad-da' in UK and is a habitual twister,
liar & fabricator. May this Iblees junior also parish in toilet like
his grandpa (Grand Kazib Mirza Ghulam). Have another fake dream drama.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Saturday, October 18, 1997 at 08:50:38 (EDT)
A.M Zafar: What r u talking about? what Islam!! Suniism! but they
have divided among themselves into various sects. Thus, u better correct
your information.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 22:46:15 (EDT)
Here is a list of Muslim Ulama who interpret 'Khatamannabiyyeen'
exactly like Ahmadis. Readers of the page, in the name of Allah (SWA) I
ask you a simple question. Why don't you call them Kafirs and non-Muslims
if you call Ahmadis Kafirs and non-Muslim? You can see the actual writings
(and translation in other languages) of these ulema by visiting the web
page: ww.alislam.org/pakistan/ref/khatam.html Hazrat Sheikh Ahmad Farooqi
(Persian + Urdu + English) oHazrat Imam Mohiyyiud Din ibni Arabi [1] (Arabic
+ Urdu + English) oHazrat Imam Abu Ja'far Sadiq (Arabic + Urdu + English)
oHazrat Imam Abdul Wahhab She'raani (Arabic + Urdu + English) oAllama Qummi
(Shia Scholar) (Arabic + Urdu) oHazrat Shah Wali Ullah [1] (Arabic + Urdu
+ English) oSheikh Abdul Qadir Al-Kurdustani (Arabic + Urdu) oHazrat Maulana
Abul Hasanat Abul Hayee (Urdu + English) oHazrat Mazhar Jan Janan Naqshabandi
(Persian + Urdu + English) oHazrat Imam Mohiyyiud Din ibni Arabi [2] (Arabic
+ Urdu) oHazrat Sayyed Abdul Karim Jilani (Arabic + Urdu + English) oHazrat
Sheikh Baali Afandi (Arabic + Urdu) oHazrat Maulana Abdul Hayee Faranghi
Mahal (Urdu + English) oHazrat Shah Wali Ullah [2] (Arabic + Urdu + English)
oHazrat Maulana Jalal-ud-Din Room (Persian + Urdu + English). Please answer
my question only. I do not want any digressionarVh
ahmadi <n.o.>
USA - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 22:27:28 (EDT)
According to Qur'an, Allah never lets liars prosper. Wonder why
Ahmadies are an exception.
Ahmadi Muslim <acsueyb@cencol.on.ca>
Toronto, ON Canada - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 21:43:47 (EDT)
Waqt hay waqt-e-Maseeha na kissi aur ka waqt, Mein na aata to koi
aur hi aaya hota Islam Ahmadiyyat zindabaad.
Faseeh Malik <fmalik@hotmail.com>
Scarborough, ON Canada - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 21:34:38 (EDT)
Islam Ahmaddiyat Zinda Bad !!!!!!!!!!!
Faseeh Malik <fmalik@hotmail.com>
Scarborough, Ontario Canada - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 20:57:55
(EDT)
Assalamualikum, This should be a goal of we muslims to expose False
Sects and their Disgusting Belief those they are spreading in the name
of Islam. Qadianies, Shi,as and other False sects confusing new-muslim
and giving them wrong idea and showing them the wrong picture of Islam.
We should learn about our true beliefs and beware of the False. May Allah
help us and gives us the true understanding of Islam. >>>>> Aamin<<<<
I invite to the muslims to see our Homepage: Http:members.aol.com/sipesahaba/index.htVh
A. M. Zafar <Sipesahaba@aol.com>
New York, NY U S A - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 18:48:38 (EDT)
Drama: Enters Iblees. Audience Mr. Khalid Ismail. Iblees: Hello
dear son, how are you? Where have you been? Ismail: Abbu jee I have been
running around to find my friends Hasan and Rumy. They have been a great
help in finding new generic lies against ahmadis. Iblees: Well done. You
folks are doing such a wonderful job that I feel like becoming your student.
Now tell me what do you mean by ‘generic’ lies? Ismail: Well Abbu jee,
the lies manufactured by you and all of our religious leaders since the
day Jamaat Ahmadiyya was established. See generics are cheap and easily
available. We don’t have to do any research to find their truth or otherwise.
We just keep producing and making money on them. Iblees: But son who buys
them? Ismail: Abbu jee most of the people whom we call Muslims (excluding
these rotten qadianis) are illiterate, innocent and above all passive buckets.
We feed them all this prepackaged garbage. They take this from our hands
falling one upon the other, and call that ‘tabarrak’. Since they don’t
have any money (All of that is gone to America to buy the weapons to kill
each other under your but mostly our advice), so we just suck their blood
a bit. However, some time our sheikhs and king brothers do buy this garbage
and pay well. Iblees: Well done son. Make sure that whatever money is left
in their pocket after paying the Gulf war debt to Americans, the British,
and the French comes straight to me and my children. By the way, are you
keeping good count of Shias and Sunnis killed by each other? Remember our
greatest enemy is the unity in the so called umma. Keep spreading hatred
and I shall reward you in hell manyfold. Now get ready we have to go to
Mowchuck Jamia Masjid. It is fun to watch some of my enemies kill each
other. Here take my Klashinkoff. Exit Iblees and Mr. Khalid
Ahmad <none>
Ca USA - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 14:23:58 (EDT)
Well Ahmad Qadiani: Your drama is not new for us. The whole life
of Mirza (the Grand Kazib) was a third rate Drama. So you have inherited
this quality (of writing and faking a drama) from your perverted cult inventor.
I have heard a few speeches of Mirza Tahir Qadiani, he is also an excellent
performer in this field, he tells the fake dreams and visions, cries and
curses his opponents. Don't boast about your web pages, I have read most
of it and only found twisted and dodgy stuff mostly to justify Mirza the
grand Kazib of Qadian's mighty claims. Insha-Allah status of Qadianism
will remain will be perverted cult till the end of this world. Have another
fake dream about drama. May Iblees be pleased with you and your dream dramas.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 08:04:28 (EDT)
Hussan: don't try to give credit yourself!!!!! anyway i pray that
God may mercy on you. We love you all people, only because you atleast
believe in Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. Anyway bye. may Allah be
with you.
Hamid <nr>
t.o, - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 17:07:39 (EDT)
Hussan Don't act like DUMM. u were the one who been cursing mirza
sahib in all your writting, go back and read. u sould be ashamed yourself,
i don't know why u people try to be 2 mui snake
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 16:58:54 (EDT)
Thank you all Qadianies for cursing me. Insha Allah on Yom-e-Qiyamat
I would plead my case on the basis that I was cursed by Qadianies alongwith
all the big Ulema and therefore I must stand with all these Ulema. Now
that I have achieved that status I wont be writing anymore. Bye
Hassan <.>
Dallas, Tx USA - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 14:33:50 (EDT)
Rumy: Don't you see YOUR language. In one sentence u right three
alphabets that u learned from your mother use for mirza sahib. SHAME ON
U! BIG ONE. I know it won't come to u.
Ali <><>
Halifax, - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 13:41:20 (EDT)
That is right that the audience are Rumy, Hussan, and Khalid but
the Herro of this Great drama is Moududi.
Tahir <<>>
US - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 13:29:57 (EDT)
A drama: In comes a great maulana maulvi: Audience are Rumy, Hasan,
Khalid and co. Hey guys you are doing great job. Audience: But maulvi sahib
these qadianis are providing proof from Quran and hadith. They refer us
to their web sites, where they show us that you maulvis were British agents,
enemies of Muslims, responsible from holding the umma back from making
any progress and asking various sects to kill each other. Also you have
declared each sect a Kafir. They say none is left Muslim according to your
fatwas. How do we respond to them? Maulvi Sahib: What nonesense are you
talking? You don't have to answer any of their diatribe. Their logic is
meant for honest, unbiased and educated people. When talking to qadianis
our slogan is 'no holds barred'. Honesty has no meaning in arguing with
them. Just keep repeating the lies we have told you. Don't read their web
pages. That will simply mislead you towards truth, the damn truth (the
enemy of Maulvi's Islam). Remeber our leader: Goebbel shaitan. We follow
him. He repeated lies and the world believed in him. What makes you think
that we can't do it. Keep shouting at them,"Munafiqs, liars, kazibs, and
so on". Ignore their arguments and keep saying,"You don't provide arguments".
We guarantee you success in the seventh Jahannam. See you there soon. Exit
Maulvi Sahib. The curtain drops.
Ahmad <none>
Ca usa - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 12:50:47 (EDT)
Messrs. Abdulaziz, M.Ali and all Qadianis/Ahmadis/Mirzais! I appreciate
your language as well as moral values it has big resemblance with Mirza
Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani 's. First we have provided a number of proofs from
the writings and life of Mirza Kazib's .He had accursed himself. Have you
read story of MUBAHALA between Christian priest Atham and Accursed Mirza
Kazib of Qadian ? or do you have read story of Mirza Kazib's great prophesy
? Have you ever opened Roohani Khazain ( Collection of Mirza Kazib's Malfoozat
less Bakwasiat) ? If your answer is yes then please answer me following
questions. Q1. On what pages of Roohani Khazain of Mirza Kazib Ghulam A
Qadiani the following statements are written ? S1 : " My nature is far
removed from this that I should utter any harsh words from my mouth." S2
: "Except for the children of prostitues, whose hearts have been sealed
by God, all the rest have accepted my Prophethood" S3 : " How can it be
permissible for me to get out of the pale of Islam and to join the party
of infidels, by claiming prophethood" S4 : " … For the sake of British
Government I have published & distributed 50, 000.00 leaflets in thus
country(India) and other Islamic countries (against Jehad)…..The result
is that hundreds of thousandof people have given up their filthy ideas
about JEHAD. " Q2 : On what page of Roohani Khazain it is written and what
was the name of supplement " At the age of 40, First God made me Mary,
Then he made me pregnant. After two years I delivered myself as Jesus.This
is how I became Jesus son of Mary." ? (SHABAASH MIRZA). Q3. On what page
of Roohani Khazain Mirza Kazib confessed " I am the self-implanted and
self cultivated seedling of the British Government.." ? Q4. Why and where
Miza Kazib said " Hazzarat Mohammed (PBUH) revelation also became wrong."
And " Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) misunderstood the meaning of Surah Alzilzal"?
Q5 In which book Mirza Kazib of Qadian wrote about himself with these wordings
"From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged,
with my pen and tongue, In an important task to turn the heats of Muslims
towards the true love and goodwill & sympathy for the British government
and to obliterare the Idea of Jehad from the Hearts of Stuoid (People).
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, October
16, 1997 at 10:00:04 (EDT)
Sohail Jan Durrani Qadiyani, Whenever you Qadianies are cornered,
one of you would pretend to be a sunni and start Shia-Sunni riots. Weather
they are Ismaili-Shias, Athna-Ashri-Shias, Debandi-Sunni, Barevli-Sunni,
Ghair-Moqallid-Sunni are all muslims and are united against any imposter
prophet and his followers. Your bid for split proves that you are defeated
and there have given up
xyz <.>
., . . - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 08:40:15 (EDT)
Sohail Jan Durrani Qadiyani, Whenever you Qadianies are cornered,
one of you would pretend to be a sunni and start Shia-Sunni riots. Weather
they are Ismaili-Shias, Athna-Ashri-Shias, Debandi-Sunni, Barevli-Sunni,
Ghair-Moqallid-Sunni are all muslims and are united against any imposter
prophet and his followers. Your bid for split proves that you are defeated
and there have given up
xyz <.>
., . . - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 08:40:04 (EDT)
I would like to kno one thing here, the question that raise in my
heart is, that we (Muslims) have declared ahmadis KAFIRS no doubt about
that, but why we havent declared ismaili as KAFIR yet theu belive is also
against the teachings of Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) just because that all the
3rd world countries depends on his financial aid, why those Mullahs dint
have BALLS enough to declare them KAFIRS?
Sohail Jan Durrani <sohail_durrani@stream.com>
Denton, tx 76201 - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 02:23:40 (EDT)
Mr. Ahmed: I,m sure you have worked hard, but you know very well
that the tail of Dog can be straight but these people can-not understand.
Anyway, Thank you.
Ali <><>
Halifax, - Wednesday, October 15, 1997 at 21:24:09 (EDT)
Ahmadiyyat and the British An objection that is raised is that the
Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement described himself as a tree planted by
the British and that he flattered the British and praised them unduly,
which shows that his claim to prophethood had been sponsored by the British.
This charge is entirely false. The Promised Messiah, peace be on him, used
the expression 'a tree planted by the British' concerning his forebears
with reference to the services rendered by them to the British. He has
not employed this expression anywhere concerning his claim, or his status.
He wrote: It is not possible to silence those people who seek to cover
up the devoted services rendered by my father, Mirza Ghulam Murtaza, and
my brother, Mirza Ghulam Qadir, extending over half a century, which are
mentioned in Government letters and in Sir Leppel Griffin's book Chiefs
of the Punjab, and the service rendered in my writings extending over eighteen
years and to create a misunderstanding in the minds of the British authorities
and to raise a doubt concerning a family that has been loyal to the Government
and has wished it well. Some people are determined to convey to the Government
false allegations on account of religious differences; or out of jealousy,
or spite, or some personal motive. It is requested that the authorities
should act with wisdom and caution and after due investigation and attention
towards a family whose loyalty and devotion have been well established
and concerning whom high officials of Government have always expressed
the view in their letters that its members are the well wishers and loyal
servants of the British Government and which is a tree planted by itself.
(Tableegh Risalat, Vol. VII, pp.19-20) It is quite clear that the Promised
Messiah, peace be on him, did not describe his claim as 'a tree planted
by the Government', but has used this expression concerning the services
rendered by the members of his family and himself in the past. Concerning
his claim, he had recorded in the same letter addressed to the Lieutenant
Governor: I claim to be the Promised Messiah under Divine behest and having
been honored by Divine revelation and inspiration. With regard to his own
advent he announced emphatically that he was a tree planted by the hand
of God Almighty. He wrote: I am not a tree that can be uprooted by them.
If their first ones and their last ones, and their living ones and their
dead ones, should all combine together and should pray for my death, my
God would reject all their prayers and would throw them back at them as
a curse. (Arbain, Nos. 4-7) In a Persian verse he has said: O thou who
runnest towards me with a hundred hatchets! Have fear of the gardener,
For I am a fruit-bearing branch! It can be asked why did he in any case
express his loyalty and praised the British repeatedly in his books? The
answer is that some people continuously reported to the Government that
he was a dangerous person, even more dangerous than the Sudanese Mahdi.
For instance, Maulvi Muhammad Hussain Sahib of Batala wrote concerning
him: His deception is proved by the fact that in his heart he considers
it lawful to put an end to the authority of a non-Muslim government and
to plunder its belongings... Therefore, it would not be proper on the part
of the Government to rely on him and it would be necessary to beware of
him, otherwise such harm might be suffered at the hands of this Mahdi of
Qadian as was experienced at the hands of the Sudanese Mahdi. (Ishaatus
Sunnah, Vol. VI, 1893) To counter this propaganda, he had to state time
after time in books that his community was loyal to the British Government.
Regarding the charge that he flattered the British, attention might be
drawn to some of his writings. For instance, he says: Some ignorant people
have raised the objection, among them the Editor of Al-Manar, that as I
live in a country ruled by the British, I, therefore, forbid Jihad. These
stupid ones do not consider that if I had wished to please the Government
with false declarations, why should I have affirmed repeatedly that Jesus,
son of Mary, was delivered from the cross and died a natural death in Srinagar
and that he was neither God, nor Son of God. Would not such of the British
who are devoted to their religion be disgusted by this affirmation of mine?
Then attend to this, ye stupid ones, that I offer no flattery to this Government.
The truth is that according to the Holy Quran, it is forbidden to go to
war against a government which does not interfere in any way with Islam
or its practice, nor uses force against us in order to promote its own
religion. (Kishti Nuh, p.68) He states further: This Government safeguards
the lives and the properties of the Muslims and provides them with security
against the attack of every wrongdoer... I have not embarked upon this
enterprise out of any fear of Government or in the hope of any reward from
it. All I have done is in accordance with the divine command and the command
of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. (Nurul Haq,
Part I, p.30) He also states: I have never desired that I should mention
my continuous services to government officials, for I consider it my duty
to declare the truth, not out of my desire for any return or award. (Tableegh
Risalat, Vol. VII, p. 10) Another statement of his is: I do not flatter
the Government as some ignorant ones imagine because I desire a return
from the Government. On the contrary, I consider it just and a duty on
account of my faith to express gratitude to the Government. (Tableegh Risalat,
Vol. X, p.123) Thus, whenever he praised the British, it was not out of
flattery but was out of obedience to the direction of the Holy Prophet,
peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, that he who is not grateful to
man is not grateful to Allah. To call a justice-loving government a just
government is an Islamic quality and is not open to objection. It is surprising
that when the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, pointed out some of the
good qualities of the British he was charged with flattering them, but
when numberless Muslin divines, both those who were his contemporaries
and those who came after him, praised the British in exaggerated terms,
no one raised a voice against it. Is that Islamic justice? We set out below,
by way of illustration, some of the declarations of Muslim divines and
leaders who described the British Government as a divine blessing. (i)
Maulvi Muhammad Hussain Sahib of Batala, who was one of the divines and
leaders of the Ahle Hadees, wrote: It is not permissible for Muslim subjects
to fight, or to help with men and money those who fight, against a government,
whether Christian, or Jewish, or of some other faith, under whom the Muslims
carry out their religious duties and obligations freely. For the Muslims
of India it is forbidden to oppose or rebel against the British Government.
(Ishaatus Sunnah, Vol. VI, No. 10) He has also stated: Brethren, this is
not the time of the sword; at this time it has become necessary to use
the pen in place of the sword. (Ishaatus Sunnah, Vol. VI, No.12) (ii) Syed
Ali-al-Hairi Sahib, the well-known Shia mujtahid, has stated: We take pride
in being subject to a Government under which justice and religious freedom
are the law, the equal of which is not to be found in any other government
of the world. Therefore, I declare that in return for this beneficence
every Shia should be grateful to the British Government with a sincere
heart and appreciate its beneficence. (Mauiza Tahreef Quran, April 1923)
(iii) Hazrat Syed Sahib Brelvi declared: Our true purpose is the propagation
of the Unity of God and the revival of the practice of the Chiefs of the
Prophets, and that we carry out without hindrance in this country. Then
why should we fight the British Government and shed the blood of both sides
contrary to the principles of our religion. (Biography of Hazrat Syed Ahmed
by Maulana Muhammad Jaafar Thanesar) (iv) An-Nadwah, the organ of the Nadwatul
Ulama, wrote: The true purpose of this institute of learning is to produce
clear-minded divines and it is the duty of such divines that they should
be familiar with the blessings of the Government and should propagate loyalty
to the Government in the country. (An-Nadwah, Vol. V, July 1908) Again,
the same organ wrote: One day was observed as a holiday in celebration
of the fifty years' Jubilee of the British Government and a telegram of
felicitations was dispatched on behalf of the Nadwah to His Excellency
the Governor-General. (An-Nadwah, November, 1908) It is against this background
that the Promised Messiah expressed his gratitude to the British Government.
He set forth his reasons thus: The Government has provided freedom for
every people to propagate their religion and thus the people have gained
the opportunity to investigate and reflect upon the principles of each
religion and the arguments in support of them... That is the reason that
we mention the beneficence of the British Government repeatedly in our
writings and speeches. (Roedad Jalsa Dua) Many of the Muslim divines and
leaders obtained grants and awards from the British Government in return
for their praise of the Government and their service to it. The Promised
Messiah, peace be on him, did all this for the purpose of the propagation
of the true Islamic teaching and sought or obtained no advantage of any
kind from the British Government. Can the opposing Muslim divines point
to a single instance in which the British Government conferred any benefit
upon him in return for his praise of the Government? There is no such instance.
He was a resident of Qadian and during his lifetime no facility, like the
telegraph, or telephone, or railways, was provided by the Government. He
lived in perpetual danger on account of the provocative writings and speeches
of the opposing divines, but the Government never took any step towards
his security, nor rendered him any financial assistance. There was no police
or military unit in Qadian. He was repeatedly prosecuted on false charges
but the Government showed him no favor. Would that be the attitude of a
government towards one who, as has been alleged, was put up by government
and was its spy? When the Promised Messiah, peace be upon him, put forward
his claim, the opposing divines for many years continued to charge him
with being the agent of the Government and on the other hand reported to
the Government that he was disloyal and intended to bring about a rebellion.
On one occasion he received a revelation in Persian to the effect that
the British Empire would last only for eight years and that thereafter
a period of weakness and disorder and decline would set in. He communicated
this revelation only to some members of his Movement. When Maulvi Muhammad
Hussain Sahib of Batala, who was always in search for something on the
basis of which he might be able to establish that the Promised Messiah,
peace be on him, was disloyal to and a rebel against the British Government,
learnt of this revelation from a member of the Movement, he at once wrote
an article justifying his assertion that he was a rebel who desired to
bring about the end of the British Government and Empire. In any case,
is it not surprising that a person who, according to his opponents, had
been put up by the British Government should convey to his followers that
the days of that Government had been numbered? Had he been put up by the
British he would have propagated in support of the strength and permanence
of the Government rather than make a prophecy that the Government would
not last for much longer. Another matter that is worthy of note is that
the British Government spent millions of pounds in the effort to establish
Christianity in its colonial possessions. They published a vast literature
in support of this effort and helped to train thousands of missionaries
for that purpose. Under the auspices of the Bible Religious Society millions
of copies of the Bible were printed in local languages and were published
freely and nothing was left untried for the propagation of Christianity
and its firm establishment. Then does it stand to reason that on the one
hand an intelligent Government should carry on such a tremendous effort
for the propagation of its religion and on the other hand should put up
a person who applied the ax to the roots of Christianity? Christianity
is founded on the death of Jesus upon the cross whereby, it is alleged,
he atoned for the sins of mankind. The Promised Messiah, peace be upon
him, proved that Jesus did not die upon the cross and thus demolished the
very foundation of Christianity. He challenged the principal Christian
missionaries in India and established their falsehood. Can such a person
be the agent of a Christian government? All Christian missionaries were
united in their opposition to the Promised Messiah, peace be on him. If
they knew that he was one of their own men, why should they have opposed
him so strenuously? One of his well-known Christian opponents was Padre
Thakurdas, He wrote and published books like the Review of Braheen Ahmadiyya,
Izalatul Mirza Qadiani, Zunub Muhammadjyya, against the Ahmadiyya Movement.
Padre S. P. Jacob wrote and published a book against him called The Promised
Messiah. The Rev. Dr. Griswold wrote and published a book titled Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani against him. Leading missionaries like Fateh Masih,
Waris Masih, Imadud-din, Sirajuddin, Abdullah Atham, and Henry Martyn Clark,
worked their utmost in their Opposition to him. Abdullah Atham was an Extra
Assistant Commissioner. If the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, had been
put up by the British, was it for them to instruct one of their senior
officers to oppose him? Dr. Henry Martyn Clark instituted a false prosecution
against him charging him with conspiracy to murder. Was this the type of
treatment which was to be expected from the Christians against an agent
of the Government? Till two years before his death the name of every visitor
to Qadian was noted down by police agents. Most of the leading British
officials looked upon the Ahmadiyya Community with suspicion and were opposed
to it. The Governor of the Punjab, Sir Herbert Emerson, was well-known
for his hostility towards the Ahmadiyya Movement. He encouraged the Ahrar
in their Opposition to the Movement and backed them up. Does all this show
whether the British officials were the friends of the Ahmadis or were opposed
to them? The Opponents of the Ahmadiyya Movement describe as an agent of
the Christian British Government, one who dubbed Christian missionaries
as Anti-Christ (Chashmai-Maarifat), and who proclaimed: All Christians
are without faith and as such they have no right to argue with anyone in
the matter of faith, until they first prove their own faithfulness. Their
condition bears witness that on account of the lack of those qualities
which Jesus prescribed as the qualities of faith, either they are without
faith or he was false who set down such qualities for them which are not
found in them. In either case it is established that the Christians are
utterly far away from and are deprived of truth. (Karamatus Sadiqeen, p.55)
Can one who wrote this be an agent of the British Government? The Promised
Messiah, peace be on him, was the person who blocked the advance of Christianity,
who proved the death of the god of the Christians, who established the
truth of the Holy Quran in contrast with the Bible, whose missionaries
are busy demolishing Christian citadels around the globe and who invited
the Queen of Great Britain, who was the greatest sovereign of her age,
to give up Christianity and to accept Islam. Addressing her he said: Honored
Queen and Empress of India, with humble respect we submit that in this
time of joy, which is the time of your Diamond Jubilee, you should endeavor...
to rescue the honor of Jesus from the stain that has been put upon it.
(Tohfa Qaisariyah) Can any reasonable person accept that one who had been
put up, as alleged by his opponents, by a Christian Government to uproot
Islam, should stand up and invite the mightiest sovereign of his time,
Her Majesty Queen Victoria, to accept Islam?
ahmad <none>
ca usa - Wednesday, October 15, 1997 at 19:12:56 (EDT)
MUNAFIQAT AND MIRZA KAZIB GHULAM A QADIANI In the beginning of Holy
Quran it is said In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. 8.
And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day;
and they are not at all believers. 9. They desire to deceive Allah and
those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.
10. There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease
and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lie 11. And when
it is said to them, do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are
but peace- makers. 12. Now surely they themselves are the mischief-makers,
but they do not perceive. 13. And when it is said to them: Believe as the
people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely
they themselves are the fools, but they do not know. " (Holy Quran Al-BAQARA
Surah#2 Ayahs 8to13) After reading these holy verses , have a look on Mirza
Kazib's writings and then decide yourself. " How can it be permissible
for me to get out of the pale of Islam and to join the party of infidels,
by claiming prophethood." ( Hamamatul Bushra p. 96 Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani)Then
on 2nd Oct. 1891 he announced in a poster that " I (Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani)
believe in all those things which are in Islamic beliefs. And as is the
belief of AHLE SUNNAH JAMMAT (SUNNI), I believe on all those things which
are proven facts according to Holy Quran & Hadith. And after the FINALITY
of prophet Hazzarat Mohammed's (PBUH) messengership, I consider any claimant
of prophethood and messengership as a liar and disbeliever. I believe that
revelation of messengership started with Adam (PBUH) and ended on Prophet
Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH). ( Text is taken from Tabligh-e-Risalat p-20,
A collection of advertisements by Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani and collected
by Ahmadi's) Then some after he said " True God is the God who has sent
his messenger in Qadiani" (Roohani Khazain vol. 18 p.231) Then he said
" I have said again and again that these words which I recite, this is
absolutely and definitely the word of God, just as Quran and Torah are
the words of God… like Moses and Jesus and David and Hazzarat Muhammad
(PBUH) I am Truthful…" (Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p. 96). He also said "
Hazzarat Rasool-e- Akram is not the last and final messenger of God." (Roohani
Khazain vol. 3, Izala-e-auham, p.320) It is not all. I have mentioned his
a number of quotations from his collection in my previous postings where
he was contradictory with basic concept of Islam. Therefore Mirza was A
Munafiq and belonged to that group which is discussed in above mentioned
holy verses of holy Quran. In same surrah it is said In the name of Allah,
the Beneficent, the Merciful. " 14. And when they meet those who believe,
they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they
say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking. 15. Allah shall pay
them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy,
blindly wandering on. 16. These are they who buy error for the right direction,
so their bargain shall bring no gain, nor are they the followers of the
right direction." (Holy Quran 2: 14-16) Now lets see what Mirza Kazib said
when he wrote to his master minds (British's) or met them." From my early
age till now When I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged, with my pen
and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards
the true love & goodwill & sympathy for the British Govt. and to
obliterate the idea of JEHAD from the hearts of stupid (muslims)." (Roohani
Khazain vol 13 p 350). Once he confessed " I am the self-implanted and
sel-cultivated seedling of the British Govt." (Roohani Khazain vol 13 p
350). There are many references where he admitted that his mission was
to support the British Government. His Dual Nature is proof of His MUNAFIQ
NATURE. Therefore if I use the words MUNAFIQ, KAZIB (Liar) or MUSHRAK for
Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani is not wrong. May God give you Mirzai's Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, October
15, 1997 at 13:01:13 (EDT)
To whom it may concern:You all non-ahamdi's example is like a Fox,
if some thing couldn't get, nothing much, but Graps are sore. You and your
grand parents' toung got black like Qurash to svere Mirza sahib. Have you
people been successful?? shame on you all, big one !! you people deny that
no there was not that many or not even least conversion to ahmadiyyiat.Exactly
like qurash to the prophet of Islam. Your example is when cannot answer
nothing much but to say, you ahmadi Kafir, you ahmadi munafiq, you ahmadi
this, you ahmadi that. Answer the question on where your so-called son
of marry will come. Will he be a shia, if not then will shia believe in
him. Will he be Sunni, if not will they believe in him. Will he be wahabi,
if not, will they believe in. Will he be Ismaieli, if not, will they believe
in. And so on and so far.. Are you people crazy. secondly how he will come?
Have you made a latter for him. where Will he live, I gues Mr.kalid's home.
Look, now everyone knows that you people are being feed up by Arab Kings,
your masters. Anyway I gues mr. kalid is very proud to clean their BUTT.
You all Anties are big CHUMCHAS of Arabs, while your Arabs are Shoe cleaner
of West. SHAME on you defebder of ISLAM while not knowing A B C of Islam.
Mohammed Ali <><>
Halifax, - Wednesday, October 15, 1997 at 11:27:01 (EDT)
Those who believe that mirza qadiani was a prophit are not only
sinner but kaffir.
ZARRAR KHAN NIAZI <muslim>
slough, england u.k. - Wednesday, October 15, 1997 at 07:05:03 (EDT)
Abdul Aziz: I can only pray to Allah(SWT) that one day you may get
some wisdom and courage to come back to Islam after recognising the true
face of qadianism with some spiritual insight then you will be able to
really know twisted lies of Bishop Tahir and his fake dreams (which he
called ro-ya). Often when he interprets these dreams he seems totally unsure
what he is talking about.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Tuesday, October 14, 1997 at 07:46:18 (EDT)
Mr. Qadiani from Halifax. Wahabi, Sunni, Shia are different groups
of muslims and you dont need to know who is the best Muslim because the
worst muslims is better than the best Kafir and the worst kafir is better
than a Monafiq(Mirzai, Ghulam Ahmedi, Qadiani, Lahori). So if someone is
cleaning the butts of Arab kings (who are bad muslims indeed), he is still
better than you monafiqs who cleans the butts of the Brits. And dont worry
about the pain in our private parts, if we had that like your fake Christ
had, we would have been using your shitty language like your fake Christ
did
xyz <.>
., . . - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 15:14:31 (EDT)
Thanks Mr. Abdul Aziz. May Allah guide you back to Islam. Wa-Alaikom
Hassan <*>
Dallas, Tx USA - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 13:51:39 (EDT)
Messrs. Hasan and Khalid Ismail. Thank for the time you gave me
to read my opinions. Salaam.
Abdul Aziz <n.r>
USA - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 12:20:57 (EDT)
Dear Abdul Aziz Qadiani, you are in a habit of twisting my words.
I never said Muslims did not listen to Khomeni. I said they looked with
suspicion. You have also mentioned General Zia as a pious Muslim and here
is your double standard. As per your last statement all those who signed
Qadiani forms (for whatever incentive are Qadianies) then General Zia was
also a Qadiani because when he got rejected from army selection, he obtained
a Qadiani certificate and got the job (and became the C.O.A.S and president
of Pakistan). If he is not a Qadiani then all those 3 million signed Qadiani
forms are also not Ahmedies
Hassan <*>
Dallas, Tx USA - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 08:40:07 (EDT)
Abdul-Aziz: Which proof you provided. You are telling a lie under
broad day light. Because Bishop Tahir said it so it is a proof. Good God
this is a proof Mirza style. You gays are not allowed to question Bishop's
statement. So keep living in the fantasy world created By Mirza and his
Bishop. Your Bishop Mirza Tahir is playing this Mubahala show for last
couple of years with his own kind of interpretations. He is simply making
you gays fool and deceiving himself. I have listened to most of his Mubahala
audio on the net. What a twister he is. Ask him that this Mubahala stunt
is not working. His jamaat will remain be cult And Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
was a pimp who try to sold muslims of India to Brits but failed mesirably.ushis
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 06:03:22 (EDT)