Ahmad <none.r>
USA - Friday, October 31, 1997 at 12:10:28 (EST)
Qadiani cultist Tahri>> Tell me your real name and your fathers name
and department. As I am living here in the heart of Punjab. It is an easy
job for me to now the actual story of you and your father's conversion.
Ofcourse you will never tell us the real reason behind your conversion
to the cult of this pretender (Mirza the toilet fame). Have a good look
and get Murabi's bimbo as a second one. You in your first post claimed
that you got lot of torcher, financial loses etc. But here in your recent
post you said that you spend most of your time in Scotland, Malaysia, UAE,
Kuwait and now you are in Canada, How comes you got this torcher &
loses again a lie in Mirza's style. The people (Britishers) who created
and promoted this cult do not need this site to take you in their lap.
Learn some style of language from Mirza (toilet fame), Tahir (fat &
ugly) and your cult brethren Boris Ahmad and Amer. The qadianis are burning
in the living hell. Look the frustration in the speeches of ugly and fat
Tahir (he always curse, abuse muslims and predict the distruction of muslims
and their land) which reflects his true mental state. You Qadianis have
to carry and live with the smelly stinky and badly flopped claims and cult
of Mirza (toilet fame) in this life and life to come. Mirza (toilet fame)
was and is a greatest failure of all times, he only managed to create a
small cult which is simply a nuisance to muslims and died in toilet and
now his cholera plagued body is dumped in the ghostly town to Qadian.
Informer <QAK>
Lahore, Pakistan - Friday, October 31, 1997 at 05:44:35 (EST)
Well done Qadiani Boris Yelsin >> You are truly following the sunnah
of your Liar pretender Mirza (toilet fame). Are you a by product of your
mum's 'Mulaqat' with Fat lusty Mirza Tahir (I heard that he blessed selected
Qadiani bimbo's in special 'Mulaqats') ? Man don't forget that it was Mirza's
habit to take qadiani bimbo's with him whilst having dump and last time
your great grand mum was with him, a 'lota' in her hand to wash his back
side but poor bimbo never got a chance to do this holiest of the holy qadiani
job. Mirza died instantly. Later on she told this incident to one of his
muslim lover and that's how the news was spread.Mirza (toilet fame) is
burning in hell because of all the shit (Mirziat) he created.
Informer <QAK>
Lahore, Pakistan - Friday, October 31, 1997 at 05:39:58 (EST)
Ah tail of Iblees RUMY: how r u chief ?? sorry for jump in betwwen
u & Mr. ALi. Tell me true did u understand what Ali had said. It is
not a matter of justification of right time or not. The thing is why did
u want from Sir Zafferulla to join the Jnaza prayer, while you openly say
that ahmadi are not muslim. I think you have especial training from the
Head of Iblees Moududi to paly with words. May Iblees Give the HADAYYAT
!!
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 21:30:18 (EST)
Rumy, why you don't answer the questions of Mr. Amir. Just answer the
question, ARE YOU SHIA ??
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 21:22:17 (EST)
Rumy, why you don't answer the questions of Mr. Amir. Just answer the
question, ARE YOU SHIA ??
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 21:20:20 (EST)
Ah tail of Iblees, RUMY: how r u today???? Answer my Question ARE YOU
SHIA?????? im not talking about the companion of the prophet saw, I am
just asking DO YOU BELIEVE in husret ubu-baker, Umer, and Usman rz. Do
not play bull shit, Your mullans here in pakistan do not offer prayer behind
each other and you r saying Islam is one sect. Correct your information
DUMM. Now the Answers of your questions (1)NO (2)No,(3) the real creteria
of true prophet is his Predictions. Be clear please ARE YOU SHIA??????????
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 21:15:48 (EST)
Mr. Mohammed Ali and all Qadian's! Your justification of not saying
JANNAZA prayer of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah is not quite right.
You are missing the chronological order of events. Quaid was died in 1948
(at that time Mr. Zaffar was Foreign minister of Pakistan.). Zaffar passed
his comments in early 1953. (At that time half of the beaurocrtes and many
cabinet members were mirzai's. This was the reason why movement against
mirzai't was crushed and Military Tanks were used to crush the Muslims)
. And Supreme Court of Pakistan has told decision in 1974 after a long
debate of pleader Scholars of both parties and a great study of Islam and
Mirzai't. And these all false quotations (What Mr. Ahmadi has pasted from
web page of mirzai's and insisting accept them as it is, if some one will
give the proofs of being wrong quotations will be either foul mouthed or
will be announced Shia or will be given excuses as Mr. Ahmadi Qadiani is
arguing with Mr. Khalid Ismail.) Anyhow these all quotations were proved
wrong. And none of Ahmadi pleader could bring the references of these quotations
in interpretation of Holy Verses of Holy Quran. Neither they could provide
any evidence of prophet-hood after Final and Last Prophet Hazzarat Muhammad
(S.A.W). Even Your Ahmadi Scholars couldn't prove that Mirza Kazib Ghulam
A Qadiani was not liar in his usual life. This impartial and great decision
was the mile stone in Islamic history. Even Pakistan's Prime ministers
of time Mr. Z.A.Bhutto who was secular in his politics stated that " Today
Supreme Court of Pakistan has solved the 100 years old FITANA (Mischief)
issue." And all the material on your web site almost same what was proved
false. With proven false bases you Ahmadis are arguing again with the help
of Anti-Islamic groups. And this is known as hypocrisy (MUNAFAQAT). Regarding
to demolition of your so-called mosques, first it is not true, but suppose
if it had happened somewhere that was not wrong. In Holy Quran (9:107-110)
there is reference is when ALLAH told Final Prophet Hazzarat Muhammad (SAW)
about the mosques constructed by MUNAFIQS MAY ALLAH GIVE YOU HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, October
30, 1997 at 19:54:09 (EST)
Mr. Amir Qadiani! I couldn't understand what's problem with you. I
am not teasing you. I am asking very simple question and you along with
other Qadianis are hesitating to answer and either are using abusive language
or giving me the names of Shia etc. Don't blame me. Would you please tell
where did I use any insulted word in honor of Holy SAHABA'AS (friends)
of My beloved Prophet Hazzarat Muhammad (SAW). Regarding to your comments
on Sect-ism. Its your MUNAFAQAT. In Islam there is no room for sect-ism
. In Holy Quran it is said very clearly " And surely this your religion
is one religion and I am your Lord, therefore be careful (of your duty)
to Me. But they cut off their religion among themselves into sects, each
part rejoicing in that which is with them. (23:52,53 Holy Quran). And then
in another holy SURRAH it is said " Those who split up their Religion,
and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!"
(Holy Quran 30:32). Therefore I am only Muslim (Alhamdolilah). So please
don't ask again about any kind of Sect-ism. It doesn't matter whether it
is 1997 or 700. There is only one DEEN and that is Islam. As the matter
concerned about Mirzai't is they are Non Muslim as they believe in a PROVEN
KAZIB as PROPHET (Mirza KAZIB Ghulam A Qadiani). And have broken the basic
principal of Islam. Which is against the ethics and spirit of Islam and
Prophet-hood. This the reason instead of answering my questions they are
using abusive language against me and blaming me sectarian. So please answer
my questionsto the point. And if it is not difficult for you please use
descent language. I hope you belong to a descent family. But if you are
helpless, no worry you can use your language but please answer my questions
to the point. I repeat again My questions ". 1: Can a liar (KAZIB) be a
Prophet (I am not accusing some one)? 2: Can a MUNAFIQ (hypocrite) be a
Prophet? Can a prophet use an indecent language? What are the real criteria
to know the truth of claim" May ALLAH give you HADDAYET.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Thursday, October
30, 1997 at 19:51:49 (EST)
Ah Kawaja ka gwa duddu! where r u???? u could not find anyone else
to spit other than SHIA RUMY.
Saleh <<>>
Mecca, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 17:17:09 (EST)
this page is very good. most pages are not even half the size of yours.
ahmadiyyat zindabad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
adeel rajput <zrajput>
toronto, ontario canada - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 17:08:52
(EST)
Drama: Curtain rises. Iblees sitting on a high chair. Enters Informer
crying loudly. IBLEES: What happened, dear Informer. INFORMER: Great master,
hell has broken. My sister has married a qadiani. IBLEES: Come, come, dear
Informer, how can it happen. INFORMER: Great master, my sister used to
visit a qadiani neighbour whom they call Murabbi. He used to and still
does treat her like his own daughter. In fact my sis used to call herself
his daughter. But, great master that qadiani influenced her innocent mind
and she started preaching us qadianat. My father and me beat her up real
nice. But she would not give up. Then she trapped my cousin who was foolish
enough to be influenced by her damn preaching. And then great master the
hell broke loose on our family. My sister and that cousin of mine married
without telling us; the qadiani murabbi must have played some dirty trick
on them. IBLEES: Dear Informer, it is very bad news. INFORMER: Great master,
I am not done as yet. That sissy of mine is pregnant. (There is an uproar,
the earth shakes. Iblees falls on ground and shouts: IBLEES: What, my chic
used as a factory to manufacture qadianis). In comes Rumy. RUMY: What is
happening, Great master? Why this noise? IBLEES: Dear son, things have
gone too far. I cannot bear these calamities). Iblees relates the Informer’s
story to Rumy. Rumy scratches his head and then says) RUMY: Great master,
I have thought of a bright picture out of this dark scene. Let us spin
a story. Let us put on the internet that qadiani girls are being used to
trap innocent MUSSSSLIM YOUNGGGGESTERS. (Iblees jumps with joy. Great Rumy
you have spoken trtuth. Did’nt the qadiani murabbi think of Informer’s
sister as his daughter and was’nt his cousin trapped by her? Oh Great Rumy
you have given me the only reason to plead for Allah’s mercy on the day
of judgement). IBLEES: Oh miserable Informer, get on the internet fast
and write in my GUEST BOOK how my dear followers are flling for the qadiani
chics. Make it real good or I shall beat the shit out of you. (Iblees kicks
Informer’s ass) Exits Informer, curtain drops.
Ahmad <none.r>
USA - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 12:24:12 (EST)
Mr. Khalid Ismail: Since you are not interested in answering my question,
I see no reason in wasting each other's time. I thank you for giving me
the privelege to ask you a question. Salaam.
Ahmadi <n.o>
Ca USA - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 10:48:11 (EST)
Rashid, if you could know the name of your fother , i am sure you could
never write that you wrote in "ahmadiyyat in Indonesia" about ahmadi's
Kalma
Boris Yeltsen <<>>
- Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 08:43:18 (EST)
Rashid, if you could know the name of your fatther , i am sure you
could never write that you wrote in "ahmadiyyat in Indonesia" about ahmadi's
Kalma
Boris Yeltsen <<>>
- Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 08:42:30 (EST)
Khalid u r SUCH an idiot!!!why u don't stand on one issue. Read mr.
Ahmadi's previous writtings, Answer his questions. whenever u people think
that dall is gulling here, jump on other place. Act like a Man!!!! Don't
write like sulman rushdi, atleast don't forget that u got to die.Don't
bark like Rumy, debate with him, he says against huzret ubu-buker, usman
and umer rz as u say against huzret mirza sahib.
Amir <<>>
Reheem yaar khan, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 08:29:20 (EST)
Some time I just wonder how foolish you non-ahmadies are. There is
one man named khalid Ismail who writes in his writting that "Ahmadiyyat
small religion" I wonder if ahmadiyyat is really a small religion then
why you people ruing your night sleep, or why ahmadiyyat has done to you.
Leave Ahmadies alone let them die if you think they are not right. Also
Mr. Khalid. you might need open your dictionary and find out following
words: Argument, Question, defeet + kan chitta, Kan chitta and kan chitta.
You might need to travel Raheem Yaar Khan and ask that shia mullan RUMY,
because it might help you people to sit togeather and think. Use your HEAD,
make it use of it, don,t let your head full of bhoooooooosa.
Ali <<>>
Halifax, - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 08:18:00 (EST)
Mr Ahmadi Qadiani: First show some courage and don't put your post
with my name as you did in your 2nd last claim.. It is not ethical. You
have not produced a single line of argument on my clear explanation of
the words Khatam and Khitam and the way these words are used(A word from
the same root is never used in contradictory meanings in Quran) then why
you claim and beat the drum that Qadiani wins by argument. Is this you
call argument ? Very funny indeed. Islam never stops understanding, investigating
and having scholorship in religious matters. All the Ulama are human beings
not prophets. I have given you a list of Mirza's towering and somewhat
disgusting claims (i.e In a vision Mirza saw Allah has shown interest in
mating with Mirza (Astagfar-ullah) where he saw himself as a woman) . Does
it not clearly points out what sort of a person he was ? Still if you have
heart to beleive him as a prophet then it is your choice but don't try
to steel title of our Deen(Al-Islam) and give your small religion some
other name ie. Mirzayat. If Inb Arabi and Shah Wali Ullah would have alive
today they would be very angery the way qadianis misused some of their
work to prove character like Alkazib Mirza to be a prophet. This man(Mirza
Qadiani) wrote a book (Ik gulti ka Aazala) about his so-called mistake
not to claim the prophethood for long time. This shows the nature of his
so-called revalations. Indeed, claims of Alkazib Mirza were gradual. In
a way, the people who were teaching him had learnt of what happened in
Iran with Bab - Mirza needed to slowly advance his case and go back and
forth on his claims to test his followers and "trap them in the scheme".
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 02:09:34 (EST)
Mr Ahmadi Qadiani: First show some courage and don't put your post
with my name as you did in your 2nd last post. It is not ethical. You have
not produced a single line of argument on my clear explanation of the words
Khatam and Khitam and the way these words are used(A word from the same
root is never used in contradictory meanings in Quran) then why you claim
and beat the drum that Qadiani wins by argument. Is this you call argument
? Very funny indeed. Islam never stops understanding, investigating and
having scholorship in religious matters. All the Ulama are human beings
not prophets. I have given you a list of Mirza's towering and somewhat
disgusted claim. Does it not clearly points out what sort of a person he
was ? Still if you have heart to beleive him as a prophet then it is your
choice but don't try to steel title of our Deen(Al-Islam) and give your
small religion some other name ie. Mirzayat. If Inb Arabi and Shah Wali
Ullah would have alive today they would have very angery that how qadianis
misused some of their words to prove character like Alkazib Mirza to be
a prophet. This man(Mirza Qadiani) wrote a book (Ik gulti ka Aazala) about
his so-called mistake not to claim the prophethood for long time. This
shows the nature of his so-called revalations. He was not sure what he
was getting at. Indeed, claims of Alkazib Mirza were gradual. In a way,
the people who were teaching him had learnt of what happened in Iran with
Bab - Mirza needed to slowly advance his case and go back and forth on
his claims to test his followers and "trap them in the scheme".
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 02:04:36 (EST)
Come Mr Khalid. Don't run from answering a simple question by muddying
the water. You want to argu about 'khatam' and 'khitam'. Well all of this
has been already researched by eminent Muslim scholars. You cannot expect
to do abetter job than ShahWaliUllah, Ibne Arabi, Al Ghazali etc. By discussing
Arabic terminolgy thoroughly they have provided the interpretation. Some
of them are in Ahmadis' camp and some in your camp. I have given you the
names of those who are in our camp. My question is simple. Please tell
me why don't you call those ulema kafirs. Now you have come up with a strange
term, "extended meaning". Will you please tell me who is the judge to declare
that an author has interpretted a term using it as an 'extended meaning'
or not. According to your comment any Tom, Dick and Harry can come up with
a meaning of the Quranic verse and say that it is extended. Also you say
that your friend has found the quotation by Maulana Roomi and Imam Jaffar
then why has he not been able to find the quotation of Shah Wali Ullah,
Ibne Arabi and others. A person living in Rahim Yar Khan has exceelent
libraries in Multan, Bahawalpur and IslamAbad. I wish you you would use
honesty in discussing religious matters. Could you please answer my question
now%Vh
Ahmadi <none.or>
USA - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 00:38:50 (EST)
Wel done RUMY! You are the person whom we can proud. You are 100% right.
I agree with you on all material on your letter on this site. I read this
site first time today and I am greatly impressed by your knowledge and
wisdom. Great man Great.
KHAWAJA <N-A>
WASHINGTON, USA - Thursday, October 30, 1997 at 00:25:20 (EST)
My dear dirty Informer. You are very musch ill informed person and
most of your knowledge is based on the dirty stories you learned from people
of your kind. It is proved beyon doubt that you are a habitual liar. You
know nothing about me and accused me of all sort of material things you
can imagine. I not from a poor or uneducated background. My father retired
as a senior officer in Punjab govt. My all (8) brothers and sisters hold
post graduate professional qualifications and well established in life.
I have done MBA from UK, MS from Punjab and Software Engg. from Japan.
Prior to legaly migrating to Canada (under professional Immigration), I
lived in Scotland, Japan, Malaysia, UAE, Kuwait and Pakistan. I am an Information
Technology professional working on a senior position in a large Canadian
enterprise. I am not a JAHAL like you. My wife' father was a senior officer
in Pakistan Air force (I am not married to any Murrabi's daughter as claimed/accused
by you , though there is nothing wrong in it). Don't be jeleous if decent
countries like Canada are accepting Ahmadies as refugees. This single web
site is enough to prove their regugee claim in any court of law. I am thankful
for that. So burn in your own hell. Some time soon Inshallah I will write
how Allah gave me HADAYAT and TauFEEQ to accept the right path.
Ahmed Tahri <A
cannot give on this trash site>
Mississauga, Ontario Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 17:28:19
(EST)
Mr RUMY: well I will write you Mr. RUMY, you know what I mean. I gues
those who speak truth (like you) they always been abuse by people. Anyway,
the pupose of my writting was that one of your earlier writting where you
mentioned that Mr. Zaffrullah khan did not joined the Jnaza Pray of Qaidi
Azam. I was wondring on one side you declare us as non muslim, on other
hand you point out we people do not join with you. Isn't little mistake
has done by his mejesty!! I think you people should be very happy that
the Jenaza of the Qaid remain very pure.On one hand you do not let us go
to Holly MECCA on other hand you say that Ahmadi leader did not join the
Qaid's Jenaza Prayer.On one hand you people do not let us built mosques
in Pakistan because we are not allow to act like Muslims, on other hand
you say ahmadi leader did not join the Qaid's Jenaza Prayer. On one hand
Ahmadies are not allow to say UZAN before pray, on other hand you say ahmadi
leader did not join the Qaid's jenaza prayer. On one hand ahmadies are
being persecutted in pakistan because they read QURAN, on other hand you
say ahmadi leader did not join the jenaza prayer of the Qaid. On one hand
ahmadi are not allow to say slam ot other in market, on other hand you
say ahmadi leader did not join the jenaza prayer of the qaid. one hand
ahmadies are not allow write KALMA, Allah is one and mohammed (peace be
upon him)is his messenger on the Mosques, on other hand you say that ahmadi
leader did not join the qaid's jenaza prayer. One hand you people say that
ahamdi should be killed (as they are being killed)because they protrait
temselves as muslims, on other hand you say ahmadi leader did not join
the qaid's jenaza prayer. on one hand you say ahmdi are the cause of the
problem in pakistan, on other hand you say ahmadi leader did not join the
the jenaza prayer of the qaid. On one hand you people say founder of Ahmadiyyat
is (nauzubillah) claimed to be the shria prophet, on other hand you say
that ahmadi leader did not join the qaid's jenaza prayer. on one hand you
say that ahmadi scintists spy for Israel, on other hand you say ahmadi
leader did not join the jenaza prayer of the qaid. on one hand this web
page against ahmadiyya movement in islam, onother hand ahmadi leader did
not join the jenaza prayer of the qaid, and so on and so far. Use your
brain RUMY, don't bark like a street Dog. there are many ahmadi who even
feel shame to read this web page, because of the language been used here.
Is this is an anti ahamdiyya home page or erotic stories web page. Why
you people even need to make this page, if you think Ahmadies are falls
then leave them alone, let them die. you just take of your own camels like
huzret ubu Talib rz, don't worry about House of God. If God has any dignity
for the faith of his beloved prophet Mohammed peace be upon him then he
will destroy ahmadiyyat. BUT you know the problem of you people IS that
you all know in their hearts that Ahmadiyyat is the Right Islam.
Mohammed ALi <<>>
Halifax, - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 16:27:34 (EST)
Ah tail of Iblees, RUMY: How r u doin man?? Anyway, Just an additional
Question, I heard that your 12th Imam was Hegra, u know what i mean KHUSRA.
Is it true?? or it,s just roomer from sunni side. May Iblees give u the
HADAYYAT, u might be wondring why i say that Iblees give u the HADAYYAT,
u know why?? because i believe, God is tired!!!!
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar khan, Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 15:48:24
(EST)
Ah dirty beared tail of Iblees RUMY: How r u chief??? Answer my QUESTION,
ARE u SHIA????don't play bull shit. answer the question. Do u believe in
huzret ub-baker, huzret Umer,and huzret Usman (rz) Man listen i know u
very well dirty beared Mullanh, Dirt of Raheem Yaar Khan. I am sure if
you migrate from here, Raheem Yaar khan will be the cleanest city in Pakistan.
OOps I am sorry chief, no no no actually i said wrong, Pakistan is full
of shits like u!!! Answer my question are u SHAI. If answer my question
then i,ll show u your previous writtings.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 15:41:17
(EST)
Ah dirty beared tail of Iblees RUMY: How r u chief??? Answer my QUESTION,
ARE u SHIA????don't play bull shit. answer the question. Do u believe in
huzret ub-baker, huzret Umer,and huzret Usman (rz) Man listen i know u
very well dirty beared Mullanh, Dirt of Raheem Yaar Khan. I am sure if
you migrate from here, Raheem Yaar khan will be the cleanest city in Pakistan.
OOps I am sorry chief, no no no actually i said wrong, Pakistan is full
of shits like u!!! Answer my question are u SHAI. If answer my question
then i,ll show u your previous writtings.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 15:41:10
(EST)
Ah dirty beared tail of Iblees RUMY: How r u chief??? Answer my QUESTION,
ARE u SHIA????don't play bull shit. answer the question. Do u believe in
huzret ub-baker, huzret Umer,and huzret Usman (rz) Man listen i know u
very well dirty beared Mullanh, Dirt of Raheem Yaar Khan. I am sure if
migrate from here, Raheem Yaar khan will be the cleanest city in Pakistan.
OOps I am sorry chief, no no no actually i said wrong, Pakistan is full
of shits like u!!! Answer my question are u SHAI. If answer my question
then i,ll show u your previous writtings.
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 15:33:11
(EST)
Informer: What a day would be that when u benn delivered by your mother.
Sorry, if your mother knows whom's shit u ARE. Does your mother was standing
holding the door of the toilet where mirza died. Are a MAN!!!Look at your
down carefully and check!!!. I got to go to college now, i am sure we will
talk latter. isn't!!!!!!!!!
Boris Yeltsen <<>>
Lahore, Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 15:21:09 (EST)
Mr.Amir! Is this answer of my question. I didn,t ask any thing wrong.
MY question is very simple " : Can a liar (KAZIB) be a Prophet (I am not
accusing some one)? 2: Can a MUNAFIQ (hypocrite) be a Prophet? Can a prophet
use an indecent language? What are the real criteria to know the truth
of claim." These question are so simple that any one can reply in very
simple language . I don't know why did you use Mirza's literary language.
May ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, October
29, 1997 at 09:07:13 (EST)
Your Guest book is getting beautiful day by day and I'm sure at one
time it will turn into a Rose Garden. I think people don't have to surf
for something obscene but Dr.Rashid sahib's web is a good provider for
insatiables.
Mahmood A.Mirza <moodiem@yahoo.com
or rmsfbanlyst@3coscom.wiesbaden.army.mil>
Wiesbaden, Hessen Germany - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 09:06:23
(EST)
Dear Readers ! Assalam O Alaikum, Have you seen the double standard
of Ahmadi cult. Some they before they were telling the loyalties with Pakistan.
They were speaking loudly. Their claim was that it was Ahmadi pope who
did all efforts to get Quaid-a Azam back to India from England. They were
showing the contribution of Ahmadi Clan . And know they are celebrating
when Pakistan is facing some difficulties. At that time itr was Mr. Walid
Qadiani and know its Mehmood Ijaz Qadiani. Have you seen his two postings.
(Your shoes on your head) and (what is left in Pakistan) .Sitting in the
laps of others they have forgotten their motherland. Know they are calling
their motherland as HATE site. This type of hypocrisy is their history.
If you visiting this Guest book regularly or occasionally you had observe
this type of hypocrite attitude. It is not first time, Right from the Pakistan
they were doing this hypocrisy. Zaffar Ullah Khan Qdiani ( I don't know
how a JUT become Khan) who was appointed as First Foreign minister of Pakistan
by Quaid E Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah did not say Funeral prayer (NAMAZ-E-
JANAZA) of Quaid-e-Azam. After five years (in 1953) one journalist asked
from him (just for personnel curiosity) that " why didn't you say NAMAZ-E-JANAZA
of Quaid-E-Azam ?" His reply was very hypocritical He said " I don't know
whether an infidel (KAFIR) didn't say NAMAZ of a Muslim or a Muslim didn't
say NAMAZ of an infidel" Dear readers if you will peep in them you will
find them an enemy group of Islam and Islamic countries. If you will visit
their drawing room (Web site) it will be very different. If you see the
comments of Ahmed Tahri Qadiani in reply to informer in justification of
his lie how shamelessly he said " I faced a long series of dirty language,
mental and physical torture, immoral pressure and monetary losses after
accepting Ahmaddyyet. " Now the people live in Pakistan they know very
well that its never happened in Pakistan. These Mirzai's are enjoying every
facility. Many key posts are in their control. But just for Refugee based
residence VISA in CANADA or other countries they telling home cooked stories
and presenting Pakistan as a worst country. These are the people for whom
Holy Quran says (62:11) " But when they see some bargain or some amusement,
they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: "The (blessing)
from the Presence of Allah is better than any amusement or bargain! and
Allah is the Best to provide (for all needs)." These people think that
Canadian VISA is better than faith. Shame for them. An other Holy Quranic
Aya about MUNAFIQS (Hypocrites) is (4:141) " (These are) the ones who wait
and watch about you: if ye do gain a victory from Allah, they say: "Were
we not with you?"- but if the unbelievers gain a success, they say (to
them): "Did we not gain an advantage over you, and did we not guard you
from the believers?" but Allah will judge betwixt you on the Day of Judgment.
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over
the believers" This Holy verse reflects the attitude of MUNAFIQS. When
some thing is good they say we did it. And when some thing adverse happens
then their comments are " Your shoes on your head" otherwise they claim
themselves as founder of Pakistan. Instead of praying for peace and prosperity
of Islam and Pakistan they are celebrating and proudly saying " This is
due to our curse on this country." May ALLAH give hadayyet. To these detracted
Ahamadi's.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Wednesday, October
29, 1997 at 08:55:13 (EST)
Qadiani Cultist Tahri: I know how much sacrifices you have given for
being a convert to Qadianism (Canadian Immigration, A qadiani bimbo, Support
in Canada by cult community and all the tricks to get benefits from Canadian
govt as refugee). Your rest of family have the same genes as yours (to
sell their faith for worldly comforts) therefore moving to Canada in their
sight is worthy enough reason to side with qadianis. You must came from
a greedy deprived ignorant back ground. Now listen to tricky and fake Khutaba's
of Ugly fat demon Mirza Tahir for rest of your life and then join the company
of Filthy Mirza (Toilet fame) hereafter. Abu-Jahal and Sawami Dianand are
dwelling with him(Mirza) at the moment because they all were Kustakh-Rasul(saw).
BTW which british master gave you the hipocratic slogan 'Love for all hatred
for none'. Mirza was not so generous and only two type of things came out
form his big mouth and black tongue A) mighty claims B) abuses and curses
for his opponents. Even ugly fat swollen-face Demon Tahir Qadiani frequently
uses words like Manhos, Khabees, Zalil, Mal-aun, Naked etc. All this is
qadiani style divine language I suppose. But I will not expect too bad
language from you because you are a new cult convert it will take some
time before you fully adopt and master the sunnah of Liar Mirza(toilet
fame) and his ugly fat paracetic Khalifa. Cultist Tahri only post your
message once we have eyes to read, do not cheat like Liar Mirza(toilet
fame) by sending it thrice.
Informer <QAK>
Lahore , Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 02:10:19 (EST)
Cultist Mehmood Qadiani; : This tiny cult is declared Kafurs in majority
of Muslim countries. They took refuge into their master's lap and doing
their perverted activities from there. Coward thug Mirza Tahir run away
from Pakistan to save his skin in the darkness of night with the collaboration
of his perverted followers. What a disgrace for this so-called spiritual
father of Qadiani cultists. Doors of holy house are closed for you unless
you curse your Satan cult founder Mirza Ghulam.
Informer <QAK>
Lahore , Pakistan - Wednesday, October 29, 1997 at 02:05:09 (EST)
Ah Tail of Iblees RUMY: How r u doing. I read your previous comments,
and i assume that everyone is ignoring u on this page, and no-one like
to talk to u. BUT u do not worry if u r The tail of Iblees then Mr. Rashid
is the HEAD. So get hurry and catch him before he takes plane to go for
the hollidays. RUMY Kazib (sorry chief!!, but it,s a fact). Just Tell me,
Is it not true that u r a SHIA, why u r trying to hide your belief. Look,
I am AHMADI Muslim and proud to declare this.You said that u r a simple
muslim. Are u Crazy, it,s 1997, your so-called Islam has divided into 72
sects and u still don't know. Ahmadi call themselves Muslim too, then why
u don't believ in them. Just answer the Question, Are u SHIA???or not!
Listen don't lie, i live in your neighbourhood and i know u very well.
I am gona explose u in front of Mr. Ahmadi. May Iblees give u the HADAYYAT!!!!
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 20:20:20
(EST)
Ah Tail of Iblees RUMY: How r u doing. I read your previous comments,
and i assume that everyone is ignoring u on this page, and no-one like
to talk to u. BUT u do not worry if u r The tail of Iblees then Mr. Rashid
is the HEAD. So get hurry and catch him before he takes plane to go for
the hollidays. RUMY Kazib (sorry chief!!, but it,s a fact). Just Tell me,
Is it not true that u r a SHIA, why u r trying to hide your belief. Look,
I am AHMADI Muslim and proud to declare this.You said that u r a simple
muslim. Are u Crazy, it,s 1997, your so-called Islam has divided into 72
sects and u still don't know. Ahmadi call themselves Muslim too, then why
u don't believ in them. Just answer the Question, Are u SHIA???or not!
Listen don't lie, i live in your neighbourhood and i know u very well.
I am gona explose u in front of Mr. Ahmadi. May Iblees give u the HADAYYAT!!!!
Amir <<>>
Raheem Yaar Khan, Pakistan - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 20:18:56
(EST)
MY QUESTION to All believers ! (Believer = one who believes on God
and Prophet-hood) . As We all are interested in investigation of truth
regarding to it some questions are hovering around. Let's start investigation
with these questions. 1: Can a liar (KAZIB) be a Prophet (I am not accusing
some one)? 2: Can a MUNAFIQ (hypocrite) be a Prophet? Can a prophet use
an indecent language? What are the real criteria to know the truth of claim.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Tuesday, October
28, 1997 at 17:28:54 (EST)
Come Mr Khalid. Don't run from answering a simple question by muddying
the water. You want to argu about 'khatam' and 'khitam'. Well all of this
has been already researched by eminent Muslim scholars. You cannot expect
to do abetter job than ShahWaliUllah, Ibne Arabi, Al Ghazali etc. By discussing
Arabic terminolgy thoroughly they have provided the interpretation. Some
of them are in Ahmadis' camp and some in your camp. I have given you the
names of those who are in our camp. My question is simple. Please tell
me why don't you call those ulema kafirs. Now you have come up with a strange
term, "extended meaning". Will you please tell me who is the judge to declare
that an author has interpretted a term using it as an 'extended meaning'
or not. According to your comment any Tom, Dick and Harry can come up with
a meaning of the Quranic verse and say that it is extended. Also you say
that your friend has found the quotation by Maulana Roomi and Imam Jaffar
then why has he not been able to find the quotation of Shah Wali Ullah,
Ibne Arabi and others. A person living in Rahim Yar Khan has exceelent
libraries in Multan, Bahawalpur and IslamAbad. I wish you you would use
honesty in discussing religious matters. Could you please answer my question
now?
Mr. Khalid Ismail: <n.o.>
Ca USA - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 15:15:14 (EST)
Mr. Informer. You proved to be a true follower of Abu-Jahal and Sawami
Dianand. Your language shows how frustrated you are. You people are losing
on all fronts and will continue to lose. I never get irritated with such
a language. I leave your matter with Allah and pray for your forgiveness.
Accepting the right path is not a bed of roses. I faced a long series of
dirty language, mental and physical torture, immoral pressures and monetary
loses after accepting Ahmaddyat - the true Islam. But I am happy that now
my SABAR is paying me back. A number of my family members have changed
their attitude. My wife (to whome I never pressured to change her faith),
parents, two brothers and one sister have decided to accept Ahmadiyyat
- the true Islam. For your information, I was never influenced by any Murrabi
in my study of Ahmadiyyat - the true Islam, though I highly admire the
Murrabi's and Muballags of Ahmaddya Jamaat for their selfless work. My
Allah clean your tongue.
Ahmed Tahri <I
Cannot Give on this trash site>
Mississauga, Ontario Canada - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 09:26:54
(EST)
Mr. Informer. You proved to be a true follower of Abu-Jahal and Sawami
Dianand. Your language shows how frustrated you are. You people are losing
on all fronts and will continue to lose. I never get irritated with such
a language. I leave your matter with Allah and pray for your forgiveness.
Accepting the right path is not a bed of roses. I faced a long series of
dirty language, mental and physical torture, immoral pressures and monetary
loses after accepting Ahmaddyat - the true Islam. But I am happy that now
my SABAR is paying me back. A number of my family members have changed
their attitude. My wife (to whome I never pressured to change her faith),
parents, two brothers and one sister have decided to accept Ahmadiyyat
- the true Islam. For your information, I was never influenced by any Murrabi
in my study of Ahmadiyyat - the true Islam, though I highly admire the
Murrabi's and Muballags of Ahmaddya Jamaat for their selfless work. My
Allah clean your tongue.
Ahmed Tahri <I
Cannot Give on this trash site>
Mississauga, Ontario Canada - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 09:26:31
(EST)
Qadiani cultist Tahri: Look who is taking a mislead Kafir cultist.
You are a follower of Greatest Liar of all times Mirza Ghulam (Shit of
Qadian), don't pretend to be any thing else and don't waste your time praying
for me. You already landed into Kafirs lap. Tell us which murabi's daughter
is this curvy qadiani bimbo who trapped you (Her curves have fantastic
logic to convince your D??K not your brain)? Go and kiss that ground where
Greatest Kazib Mirza died whilst having dump. Another good place for you
to kiss is old Fat Ass of Mirza Tahir that will make you divine (Qadianis
Way). Mirza Tahir looks like a demon with swollen filthy face in white
'Sharwani' and high 'kula', a real ugly fat demon. I hope this post will
help you to curb your Qadiani Erotica for few days.
Informer <QAK>
Lahore, Pakistan - Tuesday, October 28, 1997 at 03:42:28 (EST)
YOUR SHOES ON YOUR HEAD: DAWN - the Internet Edition> 21 October 1997
Tuesday 18 Jamadi-us-Saani 1418 Four students shot dead in Multan By Our
Correspondent MULTAN, Oct 20: Four students of two religious institutions
were killed in cold blood here on Sunday night and two others escaped.
It is said the students were first tortured and then shot. Six students,
Habibur Rehman and Mohammad Iqbal of Madr-essah Khairul Madaris, Multan;
Mohammad Niaz, Mohammad Ramzan, Mohammad Shahid and Allahyar of Darul Aleem,
Kabir-wala, had gone to Tawakkal town on Friday to attend an international
congregation organized by the Dawat-i-Islami (from Oct 17 to 19). Seven
people, armed with automatic weapons, caught hold of the students and took
them to a nearby camp where they were repeatedly tortured. On Sunday evening,
they were told that they would be released as the Dawat- i-Islami congregation
had concluded. But they were taken to an unidentified place and shot. Four
of them died on the spot, one escaped unhurt and another, Allahyar, was
injured. Later, the assailants threw the bodies of those killed into the
Rangeelpur canal. A landlord of the area, Ahmed Hassan, said Allahyar and
Shahid had sought refuge in his house.
Mahmood Ijaz <MORE
TO FOLLOW>
KUWAIT, KUWAIT - Monday, October 27, 1997 at 10:58:46 (EST)
What is left in Pakistan?. A little sample for the narrow minded creatures
roaming on this HATE site. THIS IS CALLED 'YOUR SHOES ON YOUR HEAD (JIS
KA JOOTA ... USS KA SIR). A news item from Daily DAWN Karachi dated: 23
October 1997 Thursday 20 Jamadi-us-Saani 1418 Army called out in Multan
to check violence By Our Correspondent MULTAN, Oct 22: Army was called
out in Multan on Wednesday for the assistance of civil administration to
check violence on the eve of funeral of 13-year-old Khalid Mehmood who
was shot dead allegedly by the Frontier Constabulary on Tuesday when an
unruly mob tried to attack Khairul Madaris, a religious school of the rival
sect. Army was called out at 10am on the reports of secret agencies that
some elements wanted to attack the religious institutions of the Deobandi
school of thought by exploiting the situation. Army and police encircled
the mourners during funeral prayers which were led by Allama Hamid Saeed
Kazmi. Two provincial ministers, Mian Fazal Karim and Hafiz Iqbla Khakwani,
Multan division commissioner and some local MPAs remained present in front
of the Khairul Madaris till the departure of the funeral procession from
the area. Meanwhile, an uneasy calm prevailed in the areas of Manzoorabad,
Aurangzeb Road, Delhi Gate and Masoom Shah Road where army vehicles continued
patrolling. Complete strike was observed in these areas as curfew-like
situation prevailed due to the presence of police and army jawans. A resident
of Manzoorabad, Mazhar Javed, said it was an undeclared civil curfew as
there was no permission for the residents to come out of their homes. Even
children, he said, could not go to their schools. Traders of Manzoorabad
and Chungi No 14 have, meanwhile, condemned the unprovoked attack by the
demonstrators on their shops. They said it was the responsibility of the
police to protect their lives and properties during a protest rally. COMMANDOS
DEPLOYED: Police commandos were deployed on almost all religious institutions
for men and women of different schools of thought and sects on Wednesday
for the security of students and teaching staff. NNI quoting unnamed sources
said local police arrested two persons suspected to be involved in the
killing of four students of religious schools. Sources said the arrests
came in the light of statements of two students who were injured in the
Monday attack. ©
DAWN Group of Newspapers, 1997
Mahmood Ijaz <YOU
ARE HARVESTING THE CROPE OF HATE SEEDS >
KUWAIT, KUWAIT - Monday, October 27, 1997 at 10:39:45 (EST)
Mr. Walid! Your comments on Ahmadi/Mirzai contribution in Foundation
of Pakistan has no connection with current debate " Finality of Prophet-hood"
There is a hell of difference between these two topics. It's a tricky.
It shows how much you people are honest. You want to divert the attention
of speakers. Otherwise if some people were in services and have done their
assigned duties, then so what. I think it will be good to close this chapter
here. If you are interested in it please post it to discussion group. The
better place to discuss these topics is there. Insha Allah I will reply
you in detail but not here. May Almighty ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Monday, October
27, 1997 at 09:33:56 (EST)
Mr Ahmadi & Other Qadianis: You admitted that you cannot argu the
language and its priciples as for as the Quranic Arabic is concerned. The
answer is simple because you have nothing much to say. Now lets try to
concentrate on Mirza and his claims. In my previous post I gave you clear
evidences from the writings of Alkazib Mirza Ghulam. He interpreted very
clearly the word Khatam as the last in time. Then he took a turn of 180
degree when it comes to Khatam-un-Nabiyeen. What does that prove? Only
one thing that Mirza was a liar, Munifaq and fabricator. Rumi have very
clearly proved your misusage of two quotations ( one from Jalal-uddin Rumi
and other from Imam Jaffar) which he got hold off. This proves that the
whole sand castle which you are trying to build by those few line quotations
is a mis-use and not reliable and must be out of context. Now even if we
suppose that some of those Ulama and saints did used Khatam in an extended
meaning of best in addition to last then believe their statements in full
and take the meaning last as well. Don't take a bite out of their writings
to prove Alkazib Mirza's prophethood. Now another Qadiani (Farhan) is producing
innocent statements that believe on the claims of Alkazib Mirza. Let me
take our readers (both Qadianis and Muslims) into claim of Alkazib where
he step by step elevated himself to the highest point. 1) Initially Alkazib
Mirza Ghulam claimed he is a followers of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) and denied
any status for himself whatsoever 2) He claimed to be a reformer and Mehdi
3) He claimed he is a Rusul and Nabi 4) He claimed that he became Marry
and got pregnant and born as Jesus (Astagfer-ullah) 5) He claimed 'I am
Adam, I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael, I
am Moses' 6) He claimed that he is second coming of Hazrat Mohammad(SAW)
7)He claimed that he is Buddha and Krishana. 8) He claimed that he became
a woman and Allah has exhibited his power of manhood (Astagfar-ullah).
9)He claimed that Allah has revealed to him that he(Mirza) is like His
(Allah) son 10) And finally Alkazib Mirza claimed that Allah told him 'Thou
art to me as my unity and I am of thee' (Astagfar-ullah)...............Now
I will ask readers that is there anything left which Mirza did not claim?
I don't think so. Any body with some iman and rationality can easily come
to the conclusion that this man was not worthy of anything and was a bizarre
individual, an impositor, Munafiq and a liar as reflected in his above
ten claims. Nobody in the history of mankind ever made so many and so funny
claims. All the prophets(pbut) only claimed that they are messenger of
Allah (No less No more)but here is the Alkazib Mirza, the more people refuted
him the more claims he put forward to prove himself everything. Now Farhan
is telling us there can be more prophets but will surface only from with
in qadianism. Mr Frahan any objective debate is beyond your intellect.
Even you have not read Alkazib Mirza's very basic writings He declared
'"I am the only one selected in this Ummah to get the name of Prophet".
Atleast get to know what he had left for you before venturing on preaching
his stupidities to Muslims. May Allah guide us to the right path and give
qadianis some common sense and courage to denounce Alkazib Mirza.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Monday, October 27, 1997 at 03:31:00 (EST)
Mr. Rumy: I am sure you know a lot about the contribution od Ahmadis
to the establishment of Pakistan. For your information Quadi Azam publicly
appreciated the efforts made by the Head of the Ahmadiyya movement in getting
him back to India from England. Quadi Azam left India because he was disappointed
with the propaganda against him and Pakistan (yet to be established) by
the Jamaat Islami, Majlis Ihrar and a number of other Muslim political
and religious parties. Also Quadi Azam publicly appreciated the role palyed
by ZafarUllah Khan (an Ahmadi) and appointed him the first foreign minister
of Pakistan. Do you also know the role of Maj General Akhtar Malik and
Abdul Ali Malik in the defence of Pakistan (they were awarded Hilale Jurrat).
What about General Iftikhar Janjua in expelling the Indian army from Ran
of Kutch? They were all well wishers of Pakistan. I am sure you will fing
some way to prove them traitors to Pakistan. In your eyes it is not what
is truth but what you want to call truth.What Islam%Vh
Walid <nobis>
USA - Sunday, October 26, 1997 at 21:17:35 (EST)
Mr. Rumy: I am sure you know a lot about the contribution od Ahmadis
to the establishment of Pakistan. For your information Quadi Azam publicly
appreciated the efforts made by the Head of the Ahmadiyya movement in getting
him back to India from England. Quadi Azam left India because he was disappointed
with the propaganda against him and Pakistan (yet to be established) by
the Jamaat Islami, Majlis Ihrar and a number of other Muslim political
and religious parties. Also Quadi Azam publicly appreciated the role palyed
by ZafarUllah Khan (an Ahmadi) and appointed him the first foreign minister
of Pakistan. Do you also know the role of Maj General Akhtar Malik and
Abdul Ali Malik in the defence of Pakistan (they were awarded Hilale Jurrat).
What about General Iftikhar Janjua in expelling the Indian army from Ran
of Kutch? They were all well wishers of Pakistan. I am sure you will fing
some way to prove them traitors to Pakistan. In your eyes it is not what
is truth but what you want to call trutVh
Walid <nobis>
USA - Sunday, October 26, 1997 at 21:17:22 (EST)
Mr. Rumy: I am sure you know a lot about the contribution od Ahmadis
to the establishment of Pakistan. For your information Quadi Azam publicly
appreciated the efforts made by the Head of the Ahmadiyya movement in getting
him back to India from England. Quadi Azam left India because he was disappointed
with the propaganda against him and Pakistan (yet to be established) by
the Jamaat Islami, Majlis Ihrar and a number of other Muslim political
and religious parties. Also Quadi Azam publicly appreciated the role palyed
by ZafarUllah Khan (an Ahmadi) and appointed him the first foreign minister
of Pakistan. Do you also know the role of Maj General Akhtar Malik and
Abdul Ali Malik in the defence of Pakistan (they were awarded Hilale Jurrat).
What about General Iftikhar Janjua in expelling the Indian army from Ran
of Kutch? They were all well wishers of Pakistan. I am sure you will fing
some way to prove them traitors to Pakistan. In your eyes it is not what
is truth but what you want to call trutVh
Walid <nobis>
USA - Sunday, October 26, 1997 at 21:16:46 (EST)
this is a good paVh
saeed al-abbar <babar@emirates.net.ae>
dubai, U.A.E - Sunday, October 26, 1997 at 11:48:44 (EST)
Mr. Farahan Qureshi! I told you haven't any knowledge of Islam as well
history. Again my advice to you is " Go and read some books" . Do you know
who was the first Imam in Islamic history? Do you know the difference between
Imam and Prophet? Have you any knowledge about Imamat. Don't confuse one
word with other. May ALLAH give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Sunday, October
26, 1997 at 09:06:32 (EST)
Mr. Rummy and other non ahmadies Don't be upset with me. I simply asked
you questions. I hope to God you believe in the Imam Mahdi because you
are commanded to by Muhammad s.a.w. Since you call yourself a Muslim, I
assumed you did. But apparently, you did not answer me; you started to
attack United States and started defending Pakistan for some reason. But
can you or other non-Ahmadies answer me this: How can a person "ascend"
to heaven? Does this mean that heaven is in our physical realm? Does this
mean we can create a telescope and, Allah save me, see heaven? How absurd.
By the way, Pakistan's present condition is outrageous considering they
are blessed with Islam. Pakistan is corrupt. But this is exactly what the
prophet predicted: a time in which people forget about Islam and Allah's
commandments. you are quite right, U.S. is certainly not a saintly country
either. But if the entire world is to beocme Muslim, it will certainly
not happen without a prophet. Never have people in the history of the world
been reformed without a prophet. And that is why the Imam Mahdi has to
be a prophet because Allah has created this path. we are not obligated
to believe in anyone unless he is a prophet; this is a Quranic teaching
and so the imam Mahdi, who we are obligated to believe in, has to be a
prophet. The Mahdi and Messiah has come, but it is absurd to assume that
he will automatically be accepted; during the latter days, the prophet
Muhammad s.a.w.predicted that his people will be in mess, forgetting about
Islam and the clergy of the time will be corrupt. how can you expect that
people like this will accept the imam Mahdi?If people of the latter days
would be so rightcheous and pious in imediately accepting the Imam Mahdi.
there would have been no need for a reformer. Muslims right now are calling
each other Kafir and infidels. But the Muslim ulema, who are otherwise
divided themselves, only come together for one cause: that is, to persecute
Ahmadies and called Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a kafir. This fact, that the corrupt
ulema can only come together to persecute Ahmadies, is a sign of the truth
of Mirza Ghulam Ahamd and Ahmadies. You and others may die without accepting
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, but you cannot take away from his truth. Allah destroys
liars. But he has not destroyed Ahmadiyyat! May Allah lead you to the truth.
Asalamualikum
Farhan Qureshy <ahamdiyyat>
Chicago, IL United States - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 16:16:19
(EDT)
Dear Visitors
Kindly note that I will be away
on vacation from 5th November to 18th December 1997.
This is just so that out of desperation
no one enters false enteries in my name, as happened last time :)
Wassalam
Rashid
%Vh
Dr. Syed Rashid
Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
Dibba, . UAE - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 15:01:29 (EDT)
Dear Visitors
Kindly note that I will be away
on vacation from 5th November to 18th December 1997.
This is just so that out of desperation
no one enters false enteries in my name, as happened last time :)
Wassalam
Rashid
%Vh
Dr. Syed Rashid
Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
Dibba, . UAE - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 15:01:06 (EDT)
i have been looking at sites for a long time and i would like it if
u would but new spots on your web site. i have wanddered if u had to pray
5 times a day or 3 times a day if u live in the united states and another
spot would be muslim names. thank u for your time
unknown <unknown>
unkown, - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 14:31:46 (EDT)
Dear Mr. Rumy: Please be patient for a while. Let Mr. Khalid Ismail
answer my question. Insha Allah I shall get back with you immediately after
that. SalaVh
Ahmadi <n.o.>
Ca USA - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 12:49:30 (EDT)
Mr. Khalid Ismail: (1). I do not want to get into debate with you on
'khatam' and 'khitam'. My question is not based on the distinction between
these two words. So why muddy the water? Also I do not disagree with you
that many Muslim scholars have interpretted 'khatamannabiyyeen' as the
last prophet in time. Thus if we debate the word and you win my question
is still not answered. (2) My question is that many Muslim scholars are
on the side of Ahmadis and these scholars died before the advent of Ahmadiyyat.
They interpretted the word as 'the last law-bearing prophet and not the
last prophet in time'. This is the Ahmadis' interpretation for which they
have been declared kafirs and non-Muslim. The quotations I have given state
very clearly the intention of those ulema. For example, Hazrzt Abu Abdullah
Muhammad Ali Hussain Al Hakim of Tirmadhi satates," Taking Khatamannabiyyeen
as the last prophet in time is the interpretation of the foolish and the
ignorant' clearly shows him to be in the Ahmadis' camp.My question to you
is that either you show proof that these writings are fabricated by Ahmadis
or you declare these ulama as non-Muslims. (3) As regards your questions
as to how could Mirza Sahib be the last prophet according to his own statement.
It is simple Mr. Khalid. There can be no prophet now who will not be a
mamber of the Jamaat Ahmadiyya, i.e. that person has to follower our master
Prophet Muhammad (SAS) and Mirza sahib the Promised Messiah. Wouls there
be twomore prophets or twenty more is none of Ahmadis' concern. It is Allah's
wish. If someone declares himself to be a prophet then I am duty bonund
according to Quranic instruction that I investigate his claim according
to the tests given in Quran, timeliness, claimant's character before declaration,
his message and the nature of revelations. Thus I have no problem with
the number of prophets in future. Now would you please answer my question?
Thank you and wassalaamVh
Ahmadi <n.o.>
Ca USA - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 12:46:05 (EDT)
Mr. Khalid Ismail: (1). I do not want to get into debate with you on
'khatam' and 'khitam'. My question is not based on the distinction between
these two words. So why muddy the water? Also I do not disagree with you
that many Muslim scholars have interpretted 'khatamannabiyyeen' as the
last prophet in time. Thus if we debate the word and you win my question
is still not answered. (2) My question is that many Muslim scholars are
on the side of Ahmadis and these scholars died before the advent of Ahmadiyyat.
They interpretted the word as 'the last law-bearing prophet and not the
last prophet in time'. This is the Ahmadis' interpretation for which they
have been declared kafirs and non-Muslim. The quotations I have given state
very clearly the intention of those ulema. For example, Hazrzt Abu Abdullah
Muhammad Ali Hussain Al Hakim of Tirmadhi satates," Taking Khatamannabiyyeen
as the last prophet in time is the interpretation of the foolish and the
ignorant' clearly shows him to be in the Ahmadis' camp.My question to you
is that either you show proof that these writings are fabricated by Ahmadis
or you declare these ulama as non-Muslims. (3) As regards your questions
as to how could Mirza Sahib be the last prophet according to his own statement.
It is simple Mr. Khalid. There can be no prophet now who will not be a
mamber of the Jamaat Ahmadiyya, i.e. that person has to follower our master
Prophet Muhammad (SAS) and Mirza sahib the Promised Messiah. Wouls there
be twomore prophets or twenty more is none of Ahmadis' concern. It is Allah's
wish. If someone declares himself to be a prophet then I am duty bonund
according to Quranic instruction that I investigate his claim according
to the tests given in Quran, timeliness, claimant's character before declaration,
his message and the nature of revelations. Thus I have no problem with
the number of prophets in future. Now would you please answer my question?
Thank you and wassalaamVh
Ahmadi <n.o.>
Ca USA - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 12:42:46 (EDT)
Mr FARAHAN QADIANI! Would you please tell me where did I say that I
believe in Imam Mahdi. If I didn't say it then how did you dare to relate
it wiyh me. Moreover I think you are neither aware of concepts of Holy
Quran nor Imamat. For you my advice is go and read the holy Quran. Try
to understand it. If you people have left Pakistan just for dollars it
doesn,t mean that country is worst. I live here and I am very happy. I
think criminal rate of USA is much higher than this country. And don,t
claim for struggle of Pakistan. If you are intresred I may provide you
real picture of you Qadianis in foundation of Pakistan movement. Please
have a look on history too. May allah give you Haddayet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, October
25, 1997 at 12:12:38 (EDT)
Mr Ahmadi! I don't know why you are angry with me. Otherwise my comments
were not so hard as they could injure any one's feelings. What did I write
mostly was from Mirza Kazib's own writings. If it hurt your feelings, I
am helpless. By the way have you read dramas and comments from you Qadiani
side? You people have used very beautiful language but I didn't complain.
Perhaps I know you people can't use better language. As I told you early
you can blame any one, you can curse any one, but readers of this page
are not empty skulls. If I had told you that this MASNAVI of MAULANA ROOM
was neither translation of Aya of Holy Quran nor explanation. You said
it mixes my argumentation. If I told you that you misquoted the statement
of Hazzarat Imam Jaffar Sadiq rz you blamed me as Shia. If I told you that
other Scholars quotations are also misinterpreted, you said " I am busy"
If I told you " Please do not mix up the literary words with Holy Quranic
words," I am waiting for Khalid Ismail's response. When Khalid Ismail wanted
to tell you the real meanings of Holy Quran and other words your reply
was - Both of us are not scholar- I couldn't understand if you are not
scholar then why did you started this debate? If you don't know the real
meanings then accept what Mr. Khalid Ismail is telling you. From his writings
it looks he is a knowledgeable person. He himself did research on word
Khatam and its use. If I quoted from books of Mirza Kazib Ghulam A Qadiani.
You said it injures feelings of Qadianis. Can you quote please where I
have used foul language? And regarding to your statement " We are all interested
in investigating the Truth" Ask from your heart " Are Ahamadi's are really
in seek of truth" As I observed you Ahmadi's/Qadiani's are busy to hide
the truth. Just to twist the meanings of one word of Holy Quran you people
have found more than 40 literary words from rare sites. Just to hide the
truth you Ahmadi people had misquoted the statements of great Muslim saints
and scholars. When some one asks you real text , your response is visit
our web page and when he informs you "even there is no detail" then you
say " Dial up to Jamia Azhar" This is the way how to hide the truth. If
a student writes a answer to question in exam " Answer of this question
is present in my text book please find it there, if you couldn't find there
then please consult the Principal he will tell you." I think you will award
him A++ grade. This time you should be happy, as I didn't quote any reference
of MIRZA KAZIB. May ALLAH give you Haddayyet.
RUMY <NA>
RAHIM YAAR KHAN, PB ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN - Saturday, October
25, 1997 at 11:58:38 (EDT)
Mr. Rumy and other non Ahamadies: Who are you trying to fool. You claim
that you do not believe in a prophet after Muhammad S.A.W. yet you believe
in the Imam Mahdi. Let me ask you, will not the Imam Mahdi be a prophet.
The Holy Prophet Muhammad S.A.W has said that it is incumbent and obligatory
on every Muslim to accept the Imam Mahdi. If you read the Quran, it is
clear that the only people that we are obligated to believe in are prophets
of Allah. Therefore, the Imam Mahdi has to be a prophet of Allah, otherwise,
you would not have to believe in him. But you have to believe in him; thus,
he must be a prophet. Also, this Imam Mahdi will not be elected, he will
be divinely chosen by Allah. He will carry out the will of Allah. He will
also be divinely guided by Allah. Name me one man in the history of this
planet who had these characteristics and was not a prophet of Allah? The
imam mahdi is a prophet of Allah. If he is not a prophet of Allah, then
you are not obligated to believe in him; but you are. You can call a man
a dog, but he still remains a man. Also, the Quaran calls the Hazrat Isa
a.s. the prophet of all the people of Isreal. But it is a historical fact
that during the time of Jesus there were only two of the twelve tribes
of Isreal present in Jerusalem. If Hazrat Isa ascended to heaven, as non-ahmadies
claim, then how did he deliver his message to the other tribes. Was the
Quran, god forgive me, wrong?NO! If he ascended to heaven he could not
have gotten his message to the other tribes and this contradicts the teachings
of the Quran. Isa a.s did NOT ASCEND to heaven. And by the way, how can
a person "ascend" to heaven. Is heaven in our physical realm? Can we, allah
save me, create a telescope and find heaven. This is the absurdity and
the illogicalness of non-Ahmadies. May Allah guide you and bless you. Assalamulikum
This is the duality of your belief. Further i
Farhan Qureshy <ahmadiyyat>
Chicago , IL U.S. - Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 01:54:09 (EDT)
Mr Ahmadi: Message below in intended for you.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Friday, October 24, 1997 at 22:52:50 (EDT)
You did not answer me about my explanation about Usage of word from
the same root in the similar meaning. I also mentioned the names of a few
most respected earlier commentators of Quran on the subject. but of no
use. You keep on insisting about the few line quotations and making sweeping
statements and profound judgements. Have you ever seen those books even
in your dreams? Lets analyse some statements of Mirza Qadiani what he meant
by Khatam at different stages of his dubious carreer. 1) KHATAM-UL-WALAD
¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦:
"I WAS KAHTAM-UL-WALAD (Seal of Son) FOR MY FATHER. NO CHILD WAS BORN AFTER
ME." (Braheen Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain, vol. 21 p. 113) 2) KHATAM-UL-ANBIYAH
¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦:
"EISA Ibne MARYAM WAS THE KHATAM-UL-ANBIYAH FOR THE ISRAELITE PROPHETS."
(Braheen Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.267) 3) KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA
¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦:
"ACCORDING TO SPIRITUALITY I AM THE KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA IN ISLAM, JUST AS
MASEEH IBNE MARYAM IS THE KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA IN ISRAELITE CHAIN." (Kishtee-e-Nooh,
Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.17) Above quotations from the books of Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani, clearly proves that by ?KHATAM? Mirza Ghulam meant ?FINAL?
or something which has been sealed. Question is WHY THE MEANING OF THE
SAME WORD IS CHANGED when it comes to KHATAM-UN-NABIEEN? If indeed the
meaning of Khatamun Nabieen is that more prophets will come with the approval
and seal of Holy Prophet, then the word ?Nabieen? means that there should
be atleast three according to arabic grammer (nabieen means more than 2).
Now read these quotations: "Blessed is he who has recognised me. Of all
the paths to God I am the Last Path, and of all his Lights, I am the last
Light. Unfortunate is he who forsakes me, because without me all is darkness".
(Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain, vol.19, p.61) "I am the only one selected
in this Ummah to get the name of ?Prophet?. No one else deserved this name....
and it was bound to happen... so that as mentioned in the Sahih Hadith
that ?there will be only one such person?, that prophecy is fulfilled."
(Haqeeqatul Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol 22 p.407) Official Qadiani Magazine
wrote:: "These quotations prove that except for the Promised Messiah no
one else can be a Prophet...After Holy Prophet (pbuh) only one Prophet
was neccesary and the coming of too many Prophets would have hindered the
Wisdom and Schemes of God." (Tasheed-ul-azhan, Qadian, No.8, vol.12, p.11
dated August 1917) In other words Mirza Ghulam has very conveniently stolen
the title of FINALITY from Holy Prophet SAAW and applied it on himself.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, USA - Friday, October 24, 1997 at 22:48:00 (EDT)
Mr. Informer. Following the sunnah of my beloved prophet Muhammad (SAWS),
I pray for you. If not you, Inshallah your children will accept the right
path. Your message have strengthened my strong belief on Allah, his messanger
'Mohammad (SAWS) and the Promised Mesiah (AS). The three points raised
by you are not new and your objections on Promised Mesiah are not dirtier
than the one raised by Sawami Dianand about my beloved Hadhrat Muhammad
(SAWS) in his dirty work 'Rangeela Rasool'. But I can tell you that these
unfounded and concocted stories are not more than a pack of lies. These
stories could not and will not stop the march of Ahmadyya under the divine
guidance of Hadhrat Kalifa-Tul_Masih. May Allah forgive you for your dirty
thoughts and language. I pray for you. I will remind you the Hadith of
my beloved prophet which say like this 'The proof that a person is a liar
lies in the fact that he narrate a story to others before a proper investigation'.
Now a piece of friendly advice. You have every right to stay on your belief
and express it. Please don't use dirty language and don't attribute wrong
things to others. It is not the way taught to us by our common prophet
'Muhammad'. I warn you that by continuing in using dirty language against
Hadrat Promised-Mesiah (AS), you will invite the anger of Allah. For Allah
has promised to the Hadhrat Promised-Mesiah that 'I have insults for those
who will even think of insulting you'. May Allah forgive you. Look the
recent examples Butto, Zia, Pakistani Constitution (is there any?), Pakistani
Assemblies (LOTAS and Horses - with authority to declare who is muslim
and who is not), Shariat Court (do they have any role left ?), Supreme
Court (do this institution and its judges have any respect left?), Mullahs
of past and present (e.g. Samil-ul-Haq, Tahir-ul-Qadri ......... the list
is too long. ), Pakistani nation as a whole (what is its position in world
community - top in corruption, injustice, crime, religious/ethnic blood
baths, intolerance, no security, no respect for Chader & Chardevari,
poor human rights, among lowest in literacy, ............ tell me what
is left except the final blow from the nature). The list is too long. I
just mentioned a few. Compare the situation before 1974 and afterwards.
There is a lesson for you. I wrote all this with pain. I love Pakistan.
100% Ahmadies struggled and sacrificed for the creation of this country.
They voted for it as Muslims, migrated to it as Muslim and contributed
in its progress with loyalty and love. We cannot and will never wish bad
for this country but it is the Mullahs and authorties in Pakistan who have
invited Allah wrath on this nation. The other big examples are Afghanistan
and some rich countries of Middle-East. Afghanistan is in complete anarchy
for the last 100 years. Read Hadrath Promised-Mesiah's book 'Tadkar-Tul_Shadatian'
( available on the net) which predicted that there will be no peace in
Afghanistan. Look on the other hand how the Ahmaidyya movement progressed
around the world during the last 25 years. Don't you people have any vision?.
Bhutto claimed that 'SOLVED' 90 year old 'problem'. He himself vanished
with disgrace. Zia claimed that he will eliminate the cancer of 'Quadianiat'.
His ashes scattered in the basin of Satluj River. Thousands of mullahs
have tried all type of immoral tactics and violent actions to eliminate
this movement and their names are lost in the history. But Ahmadiyya movement
has progressed manyfold on all fronts. Al-Hamdo-lillah. I hope you (or
any one else who is reading this message) will think and research before
writing or saying any thing against the Jamaat Ahmadyya. Please don't repeat
or reproduce what others say without proper investigation. May be you will
find difficulties in getting right information in Pakistan. I am sorry
for that. But please don't use dirty language or attribute lies towards
Hadhrat Promised Mesiah. May Allah show all of us the right path. Aamin.
Ahmed Tahri <I
cannot give on this trash site>
Mississauga, Ontario Canada - Friday, October 24, 1997 at 17:20:01
(EDT)
Mr. Khalis Ismail: To take care of your concerns that the quotations
are out of context I have pasted below material that will InshaAllah show
you in clear words that the quotations are not out of context. Also the
continuation of ummati prophets is documented below. A telephone call from
you Jamia AlAzhar in Cairo will be enough to get you the material in original
form. I am sure you have influence with them to prove that Ahmadis are
wrong. THE OPINION OF MUSLIM SCHOLARS The opinion of the Ahmadiyya Muslim
Jama'at, to the effect that the expression khataman nabiyeen employed in
the Quranic verse refers to the status of the Holy Prophet (pboh) has frequently
been expressed by the saints and scholars of the Ummah. In fact, when one
studies the revered opinions expressed by some of the Ummah's most venerable
saints and respected scholars, one finds that the concept of the chronological
finality of the Prophethood of our beloved master, Hazrat Muhammad Mustapha,
peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is not only argued against but
thoroughly rejected by these revered personalities. If the opponents of
the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community who insist on the chronological finality
of the prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be
upon him, insist that when the same view held by Ahmadi Muslims makes them
kafirs then for consistency they must hold the same opinion of the saints
about to be quoted: Hazrat Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ali Hussain al Hakim For
instance, the renowned sage Hazrat Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ali Hussain al
Hakim of Tirmidhi states: 'According to our belief khataman nabiyeen means
that prophethood, with all its adjuncts and glory, has culminated in the
Holy Prophet, peace and blessings on him, and God Almighty so determined
that his heart be used as a vessel to collect all the perfection of prophethood
and then put His Seal to it.' Kitab Khatamal Anbiyya: pg 241 The revered
saint also challenges the mistaken concept of the chronological finality
of prophethood and states: 'How can the glory and superiority of Muhammad,
peace and blessings be upon him, be manifested if we claim that he was
the last, in time, to appear in the world? This is, no doubt, an interpretation
of the foolish and the ignorant.' Kitab Khatamal Anbiyya: pg 34 Maulana
Muhammad Qasim Sufi Hazrat Abu Abdullah's view was also shared by the 19th
century CE scholar, Maulana Muhammad Qasim of Nanauta (founder of the Deoband
seminary) who stated: 'According to the layman, the Messenger of Allah,
peace and blessings on him, being Khatam is supposed to have appeared after
all the other prophets. But men of understanding and the wise know it very
well that being the first or the last, chronologically, does not carry
any weight. How could, therefore, the words of the Holy Quran 'But he is
the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets (33.41) mean to glorify
him? But I know very well that none from among the Muslims would be prepared
to agree with the common men ' Tahzeerun Nas: pg 3 This revered scholar,
on another occasion, explained the true meaning of the expression Khataman
Nabiyeen and stated: 'Prophets, as they are message bearers of God, are
His viceregents. It would therefore, be necessary that they are endowed
with Divine authority. From among the subordinate posts, the post of the
governor or the minister is the highest and all other posts are subordinate
to them and they can over-rule the decisions and rulings of their subordinates;
similarly there is no position higher than khatam of the prophets. Every
other prophet is undoubtedly subordinate to him.' Mubahitha: pg 24/25 ln
relation to the status of our beloved Prophet, upon whom be peace, as the
Khataman Nabiyeen, the Maulana stated: 'If finality of the prophethood
of the Holy Prophet be considered in the light of his excellent attributes
and of his having reached the apex of excellence, as I have already stated,
but not chronologically, and which heights no one can reach, the point
of his superiority over all other persons becomes established over those
who have passed away and also those who come after him. If we accept this
view it shall not at all contravene his finality, even though someone in
the future may rise to the high status of prophethood.' Tahzeerun Nas:
pg 28 Hazrat Abu Saeed Mubarak Maulana Muhammad Qasim's view that the expression
Khataman Nabiyeen refers to the excellent attributes of the Holy Prophet,
upon whom be peace, which reached the apex of excellence is shared by another
venerable saint of the 6th century Hijra, Hazrat Abu Saeed Mubarak, the
revered preceptor of Hazrat Ghauthi-Azam Sayyed Abdul Qadir Jilani, the
founder of the Qaadiriyya school of Islamic mysticism, who states: 'Man
is the most privileged of God's creatures. When he reaches the zenith of
exaltedness he begins to manifest in himself all the above mentioned qualities
and their corollaries. He is then called the perfect man and the acme of
perfection. These attributes are found in the Holy Prophet in the highest
abundance, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. That is the reason
why he is called Khataman Nabiyeen. Tofha Mursalah Sharif: pg 5 Hazrat
Imam Muhammad bin Abdul Baqee and Ibni 'Asakar Hazrat Imam Muhammad bin
Abdul Baqee and Ibni 'Asakar, both subscribed to this view and agreed that:
'The meanings of Khataman Nabiyeen are that the Holy Prophet, in his physical
and spiritual build, is the most charming and lovable personality, peace
be upon him. This is because the glory and the spiritual magnitude of all
the prophets is manifested through him and he can be likened to the beautiful
ring worn for adornment.' Zarqani Sharah Mwahabui Luddunia: Vol 3, pg 163
and Sehlul Huda wal Irshad: pg 55 Hazrat Sayyed Abdul Karim Jilani Hazrat
Sayyed Abdul Karim Jilani, the renowned mystic of the 8th century Hijra
was of the opinion that: 'Hazrat Muhammad, peace and blessings on him,
is the Khataman Nabiyeen because he attained the highest perfection which
no prophet ever did.' Al Insanul Kamil: Vol 1. Ch 36. Pq 69 The venerable
saint also expressed the opinion that: 'The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings
of Allah be upon him, was the Khataman Nabiyeen because he imparted to
us the knowledge of wisdom, guidance and all other spiritual secrets and
he directed us to these in the very clear and exhaustive manner.' Al Insanul
Kamil: Vol 1. Ch 36. Pq 6 Hazrat Sayyed Abdul Karim Jilani expressed the
opinion that the expression khataman nabiyeen signified that only Law bearing
prophethood had now ceased. He stated: 'The coming of the Law bearing prophets,
after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings on him, has ceased as he has
been exalted to be the Khataman Nabiyeen because he brought with him such
a perfect law as no other prophet had brought before him. Al Insanul Kamil:
Vol 1. Ch 36. Pg 68 Qari Abdul Tayyab The irony of this entire controversy
is that the leaders of some of the most hostile anti Ahmadiyya Jamaats
have themselves expressed this view in relation to our beloved master's
status as the Khataman Nabiyeen. For instance, Qari Abdul Tayyab of the
Darul Uloom of Deoband states: 'Just as there is from among the angels
and the satans a person par excellence who excels everyone of its kind
in beneficence and cannot be surpassed - Gabriel in the case of angels
and Iblis the accursed in the case of satans apportions them evils and
wickedness. Similarly, there is a Khatam for the prophets and a Khatam
for the Dajjaals, and they are both supreme in their respective spheres.
From among the prophets there is he who is the acme of perfection and at
the same time bestower of perfection to others. His name is Muhammad, the
Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.' Talimati
Islam aur Masihi Aqwam: pg 223/224 MUSLIM SCHOLARS ON THE CONTINUATION
OF PROPHETHOOD Many of the Ummah's saints and scholars have been of the
opinion that the expression Khataman Nabiyeen has no relationship to the
belief that he is the last in the line of prophets. They have believed
that non Law bearing prophethood had not ceased but shall continue within
the Ummah. Hazrat Imam Mohiyyiud Din ibni Arabi For instance, Hazrat Imam
Mohiyyiud Din ibni Arabi, a distinguished commentator of the Holy Quran
states: 'From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived
at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly
be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to
the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any
book of law.' Fatuhati Makiyyah: Vol 1. pg 545 Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah The
Muhaddith of Dehli, Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah subscribed to this opinion and
stated: 'The meaning of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyeen is
that there shall not now appear a person whom God may appoint with a new
Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall be no prophet who shall come
with a new Law.' Tafheemati Ilahiyyah The Hakim ul Millat in fact gave
credence to the opinion that prophets within the Ummah may arise when he
stated: 'There cannot be an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet,
peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, who is not his follower and his
adherent.' Al Khairul Katheer: pg 111 Hazrat Sheikh Ahmad Farooqi The Muhaddith
of Delhi's opinion was shared by the Muhaddith of the second millennium,
Hazrat Sheikh Ahmad Farooqi of Sarhind who stated that: 'The rising of
prophets after the Khatamar Rasul Hazrat Muhammad, the Chosen One, peace
and blessings be upon him, from among his own followers and as a heritage,
does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar rasul. Therefore,
O reader, do not be among those who doubt.' Maktubat Imam Rabbani, Hazrat
Mujaddid Alf Thani Hazrat Maulana Faranghi Mahal Hazrat Maulana Faranghi
Mahal, an eminent scholar of the Ahle Sunnat also discussed the significance
of the expression Khatamae Nubuwwat and on behalf of the Sunni Scholars,
he declared: 'The divines of the Sunni sects believe in and expound the
fact that in the course of the Ministry of the Holy Prophet, peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him, there cannot appear a law bearing prophet
and his prophethood extends to the end of days. A prophet who appears during
his ministry shall necessarily be the follower of the Law of Muhammad.'
Maulvi Abul Hayee: Majmu'ah Fatawa: Vol. 1, pg 144 Hazrat Maulana Abul
Hasanat Abul Hayee Hazrat Maulana Farangi Mahal's contemporary, Hazrat
Maulana Abul Hasanat Abul Hayee, a distinguished scholar of the Sunni sect
shared this opinion and stated: 'After the demise of the Holy Prophet,
peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, or even during his own lifetime,
it is not an impossibility for someone to be exalted to the position of
a simple prophet. But a prophet with a new Law is, indeed, forbidden.'
Dafe ul Waswas: pg 16 In fact, when one studies the literature produced
over the Ummah's history, one finds that the saints and scholars' of Islam
have urged Muslims to: 'Strive hard in the path of virtue in a manner so
that you may be blessed with prophethood and you still be a follower.'
Rumi, Hazrat Maulana Jalalud Din: Mathnavi Maulana Rum: Ch 1. pg 53 Hazrat
Mazhar Jan Janan Naqshabandi These saints of repute have urged Muslims
to do thus since they are well aware that: 'No perfection, except the perfection
of prophethood bearing Law has ended. With respect to the other beneficences
of God Almighty, He is neither miserly nor niggardly.' Naqshabandi, Hazrat
Mazhar Jan Janan: Maqamati Mazhari: pg 88 Hazrat Imam Abu Ja'far Sadiq
The revered sixth Imam of the Shia, Hazrat Imam Abu Ja'far Sadiq was quoted
saying : 'Hazrat Abu Ja'far, while dscussing the Quranic verse: "For verily
We granted the Book to the children of Abraham...," said that God vouchsafed
to the children of Abraham, Messengers, Prophets and Imams. But what is
ironical is that people believe in what God blessed the children of Abraham
with and yet they deny this blessing for the progeny of Muhammad. Wassalam.
Ahmadi <n.o.>
Ca USA - Friday, October 24, 1997 at 16:11:52 (EDT)