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Dear Qadianis (Shamvil and others)
Anyone can curse anyone and Jama'at Ahmadiyya has been cursing the Muslims for the last 100 years. But this is not Mubahila. Read the verse 3:61 in Holy Quran again. It says: "If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "COME! LET US GATHER TOGETHER, OUR SONS AND YOUR SONS, OUR WOMEN AND YOUR WOMEN, OURSELVES AND YOURSELVES: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of God on those who lie!" Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani said: "So now get up and get ready for the Mubahila .... And it will be like this that after FIXING the DATE and PLACE of Mubahila, I will take in my hands all those INSPIRATIONS/WAHI which I have written and ENTER the place of Mubahila." (Roohani Khazain vol: 11, p.65) Please request your Khalifa not to risk the lives of innocent qadianis. Let him bring his family members into Masjid alFazl in his HQ in London, allow me to come their and we will invoke the curse of Allah on Liars and then see the result within one month. Wassalam. Rashid

La'anat ullahe 'ala alkazibeen

"Curse of Allah be upon Liars"

Dear Readers
I have been on vacation since 14th February and returned on 21st March '97.
During my absence I noticed that Qadianis have tried to sabotage my guestbook
by posting fake entries in my name and in some other names. It just goes to prove
how desperate they have become. Anyway, InshaAllah truth will prevail and such
attempts by them are going to backfire.
Wassalam,
Rashid

La'anat ullahe 'ala alkazibeen

%Vh
Dr Rashid <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Thursday, March 27, 1997 at 04:44:46 (EST)

Dear Readers
I have been on vacation since 14th February and returned on 21st March '97. During my absence I noticed that Qadianis have tried to sabotage my guestbook by posting fake entries in my name and in some other names. It just goes to prove how desperate they are becoming. Anyway, InshaAllah truth will prevail and such attempts by them are going to backfire.
Wassalam,
RashVh
Dr Rashid <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Wednesday, March 26, 1997 at 12:59:19 (EST)

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This is not a good way of preaching Islam

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Mr Qadiani (Informer of falsehood). Now you are saying ( all the deceases which Mirza himself admitted that he was suffering from) were minor ailments. Mr Medical specialist sahib: The man (Mirza the Kazib) himself is saying that he was extremely sick man and got acute fits all his life from time to time. One plausible reason for many of his most contradictory and sick revelations like “one occasion revealed his condition that state of revelation overcame upon him in a manner as if he is a female and God has expressed his power of virility (masculinity)” is due to his physical and mental illnesses. And to make him worse he was on the medications devised by his disciple Quack Nurruddin which gave him the cocktails of edictive substances. That’s why he ventured on the dreamland of revelations and came up with many most ridiculous revelations ever recorded in the history of mankind. And when the entire Muslim Ummah was straggling under the might of Colonialism of British and European nations What he(grand Kazib) was saying “ From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged, with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of Muslims towards the true love & goodwill & sympathy for the British govt and to obliterate the idea of Jihad from the hearts of stupid Muslims (Rohani Khazin vol 13 p.350)” so one can guess for whom he was working Allah or Brits and these were the deeds of Kazib Messiah. Thanks to Allah that He helped Muslims and their struggles were largely successful and most of the Muslims countries are free now. You mentioned that he has written over 80 books, Yes he has mostly written the most confusing, ridiculous and contradictory stuff which does not have any religious or academic value for both Muslims and Non-Muslims. But members of tiny Qadiani cult is rotting these books, they are blind to see the falsehood of his compilations. Hundred years on and this false Messiah is unknown to 99.9 of the population of this world. What kind of Messiah was he ? May Allah give you some sense so you can denounce this Liar and embrace the true faith (amin). And Mr Informer of Falsehood show some decency and sent your message only once.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, March 25, 1997 at 03:09:28 (EST)

Assalumulkium It seems that Mr. Khalid Ismail you need to be informed of some medical facts.Let me ask you, do you know what a headache is? There are many people who suffer from headaches, does that mean that they are crazy or need help? Of course not, people who suffer from headaches are capable, intelligent people, who by the grace of Allah, can walk can talk intelligently and can do all the things any capable person can do. One of my family members suffers from heachaches, that does not mean by the grace of Allah, that that person is any less intelligent or less capable than anybody else. As far as heart palpatations go, that does not affect a person's ability to reason either, nor do they hear "voices in their head" as is also the case with headaches.. Insomnia, my friend, is a sleeping disorder very common. Are you saying that people who suffer from insomnia should be thrown into a mental instiution. Of course not, many intelligent, prize-winning scientists, politicians, and pious people have trouble going to sleep. Does that make them crazy? Of course not. As far as diabetes goes, that also does not affect a man's ability to reason or think clearly, nor does it suggest anything unpious about a person. Let me remind you that all of these afflictions happen to many good people and does not take away from their ability to reason nor does it make them "crazy" nor does it suggest any unpiety about them. Once again this is another sign of ignorance of the false of accusers of the Promised Messiah. Can a man of "craziness" write 80 books which employ the beautiful use of prose and which demonstrate a clear ability to ariticulate and to illustrate the beauty of Islam? Of course not. The fact is that the Promised Messiah was quite healthy, and even in his old age he was very active to the service of Allah. Let me remind you that many prophets of Allah were accused of such nonesense, even our master, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) was accused of suffering from epilepsy, allah save us. Please do not hide behind a veil of ignorace, examine the growth and the progress of Ahmadiyyat as witness to the truth of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the promised messiah and a true servant of Allah. Assalamulikum
Informer of Truth <fqureshy@midway.uchicago.edu>
Chicago, IL USA - Thursday, March 20, 1997 at 16:48:56 (EST)

Assalamulikum, Mr. Khalid Ismail and other Non-Ahmadis Read the ayat in the Holy Quran which clearly states that liars are foiled and are crushed by Allah. Now Mr. Ismail, look at the Ahmadiyya Jamaat and tell me how Ahmadis have been foiled. The Promised Messiah was unknown, yet Allah has made him known to the four corners of the earth. The Promised Messiah was poor, but Allah has enriched his Jamaat. The Muslim Ummah, however, has casted Ahmadi's out of the fold of Islam because they believe in a prophet after the Holy Prophet of Islam. Now, Mr. Ismail, let me ask you when Hazrat Isa will come back will he come back outside the fold of his prophethood? Of course not. Any Muslim that claims that the Mahdi will come outside prophethood will be cast out of Islam. Yet the Muslim Ummah, has thrown Ahmadi's out of the fold of Islam because they believe in a prophet after Muhammad (s.a.w.) The Holy Prophet of Islam has even mentioned in the Hadith that the Messiah will be a prophet. Examine now the illogical conclusion of non-Ahmadis. On one hand they have thrown Ahmadi's out of the fold of Islam, but on the other they themselves believe in prophethood after Hazrat Muhammad (s.w.a.) Has there ever been a man who has been divinely guided and was not a prophet? Name me one man who was divinely guided by Allah and was not a prophet? You cant. Therefore, the Mahdi, a divinely guided sevant of Allah, has to be prophet other wise he can not claim his truthfulness. Hazrat Isa (a.s.) was a great prophet of Allah, but he died a natural death just like everyone else did and like the Holy Quran said that death is inevitable? Furtermore, the Holy Quran says that prophets always gain opposition. Let me ask you then, if Hazrat Isa comes out of the sky, who will oppose him? Nobody. Nobody will oppose a man who will come out of the sky, because that is a un-human like characteristic. This, allah save us, contradicts the Quran. It is time that the non-Ahmadi's reconsider their belieifs. There are now exactly 73 sects in Islam, my friend, do you know about the Hadith of the Holy Prophet of Islam Muhammad (s.a.w.) that tells us that 72 shall be wrong, but only 1 will be right. Now let us examine something, there are now 72 sects aside from Ahmadiyyat, in Islam. Though these 72 sects differ in terms of their beliefs, they are unanimously agianst Ahmadi's. That leaves 72 sects on one side, Ahmadiyyat (73) on the other. I wish that people like you Mr. Khalid Ismail would open up your heart a little, see that Ahmadi's are making progress despite Ahmadi's being discriminated against, and many times, being killed. Don't turn away from the Messiah, hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, and by the way, the 14th century is ending. Do you know what that means? No one has appeared as of yet to claim to be the reformer of Islam, accept the Messiah and don't let the hadith of the Holy Prophet of Islam, god save us, go untrue that there would be a reformer every century. Salaam
Informer of Truth <fqureshy@midway.uchicago.edu>
Chicago, IL United States - Thursday, March 20, 1997 at 02:43:40 (EST)

Mr Abdul Aziz: All along when some argument being put forward about Mirza rather then providing any explanation, you simply put it aside and pretended that where is the argument ? Very dodgy stuff, isn’t it ? I presented Mirza’s statements (i.e Qazi Allah Yar’s narrations and Mirza’s own writings). You also accused me of using abusive language. I never used any abusive word for you or for any other Qadiani. Surely I used the words like Grand Kazib and Liar for Mirza and this is not personal abuse to him. It is a reality which you refuse to accept. Anyway here is another piece of his classic twisting and in the flow he spoke out lot of truth about himself.....Mirza Ghulam In interpreting the Prophetic traditions giving certain details of the descent of Messiah in applying to himself, he indulges in great orgies of immagination, puts forward the most far-fetched meanings and comes forward with the most ridiculous notions-- as if he was sure of the absolute gullibility of his followers. For instance, his opponents pointed out that the Prophetic Traditions from which he argued his case and upon which he based his claim also stated that at the time of his descents the Messiah would be clad in two yellow sheets. replaying to that he(Mirza) says “” I am a permanently sick man. And the two yellow sheets which have been mentioned in the traditions as those which would be worn by Messiah when he would come down, these two sheets are with me...and these are, according to the science of interpretation of dreams, two ailments. Hence, one of these sheets is on my upper part so that headache and giddiness and insomnia and palpitation of the heart come to in the shape of fits. The other sheet which is on the lower part of my body is diabetes which has afflicted me for quite a long time so that often I have hundred urinations during the night and day and due to this frequency of micturation I am afflicted with all those ailments of debility caused by such a disease. (appendices of Arba’in, Nos 3 & 4, p-4)”” ....Mr ABDUL-AZIZ and other learned Qadiani’s of the net : Above is a writing of Mirza (The grand Kazib) and you can confirm it from your book. Here he clearly told that he was permanently a very sick person both physically and mentally up to the extent that he got fits on the regular basis. After looking into the above scenario (where the person himself admitted that he was acutely ill both mentally & physically) even an ordinary person will never take his claims seriously but ALAS you well educated fellows failed to understand the underlying facts about the whole saga of his claims. Whenever somebody points out the wild contradictions and loopholes in the writings of this so-called prophet your reflected attitude is of extreme stubbornness and ignorance. When I see you guys trapped into the net of this dodgy person and his chauvinistic Khalifa and your self-deceptive claims that you are bringing the faith from turrayya, it make me sad. May Allah help you to understand the real face of this Kazib by understanding his dodgy writings (amin).
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, March 19, 1997 at 03:21:46 (EST)

----------------------------------------------------------- In the Name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful Assalam-o-Alaikum. I feel so bad for you because you are the most ignorant Muslim that I have ever seen. I really hope that you pray to our dear Allah so that He may forgive you for your wrong doings. Where do you come off calling Ahmadis non-Muslims ? How do you know that you are a Muslim yourself ? You know if you followed the true teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, you would never call any other person who claims to be Muslim kafir. Just pray, pray hard because in my opinion the way that you are going is going to lead you straight to hell. Also are you getting paid to bash other Muslims or do you do it for fun, because you have nothing better to do. Good luck with everything and keep praying that may our dear Allah show you the true path and guide you through your life. Wasalam. ------------------------------------------------------------
Zaineb <zaineb26@aol.com>
Albania - Monday, March 17, 1997 at 17:23:33 (EST)

Friend, I am doing a research about east religions. I think Islam have interesting concepts about faith e human behaviour. We do not have too much information about this religion here in Brazil and there are many people who want to know a little more about it. If you could tell me where I can find some arabian art about Islan on the Net, I would be very grateful. We are very interested in Islam culture. Thank you. May Allah be with you %0Vh
Alvaro <Alvaro.Pires@infolink.com.br>
Niterói, RJ Brazil - Sunday, March 16, 1997 at 14:53:40 (EST)

Mr. Khalid Ismail: You have no valid arguments to support what you write. You writings is a composition of 'iar', 'kazib', 'you don't get it', etc, etc. To a person ike you the best thing to say is what Quran requires, i.e. salaam. To the readers of this page I woud refer to an Ahmadiyya Web page providing responses to all the false prpaganda. The address is: http://www.ryerson.ca/%7Eamsar/response/response.htm
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe. humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Friday, March 14, 1997 at 15:22:24 (EST)

Mr. Khalid Ismail: You have no valid arguments to support what you write. You just words like. 'liar', 'kazib', etc. etc. To a person like you the best thing to say is what Quran requires, i.e. salaam.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Friday, March 14, 1997 at 15:16:32 (EST)

You guys just don't get it do you. In the history of mankind, has Allah ever let liars who deliberately spread falsehood contiue to exist. My friend, this page is nothing but a page full of hate, which sheds nothing but lies and takes things totally out of context. In reagrads to the The Promised Messiah's words towards Jesus this page is totally proves my point. The Promised Messiah clealy has stated that there are two Jesus' the one who the HOly Prophet and the Quran calls a prophet and a noble man and a beloved of Allah, the other one is in the Gospel. The one in the Gospel, does not do justice to the true character of Hazrat Isa. When the Promised Messiah desribes Jesus' in such a way it is the Jesus' in the Gospels. The primary objective of the Hazrat Promised Messiah was to show the Christians, who were so disgustingly attacking the Holy Prophet of Islam, that there religion did no justice to Hazrat Isa. If people like brother Rashid would read the gospels, Allah save me, there are several passages that suggest that Jesus (a.s.) was, Allah save me, lacking some piety. His intention was to show that the Holy Prophet of Islam, and the Holy Quran presented the true and brillinat character of Hazrat Isa. But Rashid, is a very well educated man, he is no dumby. But it seems he has deliberately and quite conveniently failed to mention this distinction. So, of course, if you use the Promised Messiah's quotes in the context that Rashid is usin them, i.e. that the Promished Messiah was attacking the character of the true Jesus, then of course his writings would appear offensive. Promised Messiah loved Hazrat Isa.Why would he critisize a man who he claimed to be the reflection of? This is just one instance of the absolute stupidity and ignorance of this page. It is one thing to disagree with a man it is quite another to misrepresent his beliefs. This is what this page does. I invite you to visit the web pages of the Ahmadiyya movement so you can get a sense of the promised Messiah's claims. Then if you dont want to accept him, fine. But don't base your opinions on this page. Assalamulikum
Informer of truth <ahmadiyyat>
chicago, IL USA - Friday, March 14, 1997 at 14:09:32 (EST)

Mr Abdul Aziz: Now you are shedding crocodile’s tear that your heart goes out for Muslims while replying to brother Naeem-ud-din. I know how much disgust you guys have in your minds about Muslims. You quoted some statement of Mirza about that. Here is another statement of Mirza (The Grand Kazib)..."Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else has accepted me and believes in my Prophethood."(AinaeKamalateIslam, Roohani Khazain vol.5,p.547).”.......Have you noticed the language and the regard which he had for the people who did not accepted him as a prophet.... Allah-Ho-Akbar these are the writings of a man who claimed that he was a prophet and all his writings were divinely inspired. Mr Aziz and other Qadiani’s who you are deceiving to ? not me not brother Naeem but yourself. This hell resident man named mirza Ghulam Ahmad was mentally and physically very ill person.. how ? I will discuss this in my next post. And brother Naeem: I respect your suggestion but we have to educate our muslim brothers about the grand Kazib’s fraud and also try to help our Qadiani friends on the net (unfortunately vast majority of them were born in Qadiani families and feel very offended when we talk about the reality of Mirza). Now Mirza Tahir and his cronies in the Qadiani hierarchy have very tight control on them, so the poor guys have to listen his sermons and pay him hefty sums from their incomes. If we keep on trying, one day might be that Allah eventually save them from this evil man and his cronies and they might breathe freely without the clout of Qadiani Jamaat and Qadiani faith. Brother Naeem I hope you will agree with me.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Friday, March 14, 1997 at 03:05:46 (EST)

Mr. Naim ud Din: Assalamo alakum: Your response to my comments is not fair or based on reasons. Just a collection of 'liar' 'kazib' mardood' and 'you don't understand'. I wonder what happened to that logic which Muslim sociologists developed so painstakingly in the early period of Islam. Any way Mr. Naim ud Din, I gave you references from Quran that Prophet Muhammad (SAS) is the last law bearing prophet. According to Quran (Ireferred you to sura Al Araaf) more Messengers following the Deen of Prophet Muhammad (SAS) will come.However, all of them will be his followers. My position is supported by the writings of many Muslim religious scholars. They are Maulana Nanautwi, the founder of Deoband school, Shah Waliullah Muhaddis Dehlvi, Maulana Jalauddin Room and about 40 others well known Muslim saints. Do you think they are all nonMuslims? Please read the Quran more carefully. Reflect upon it. Do not deny clear ayas of Quran simply because you want to stick to your ways. Apart from this I am very happy with your suggestion to Khalid Ismail and other critics of Ahmadiyyat that they should leave Ahmadis alone. Thank you very much for it. Ahmadi Muslims have got many positive things to do. The most important of which is to bring back IMAN from 'surayya' (Hadith). They don't want to waste their time arguing with the knit-pickers. Also please remeber that Ahmadis have nothing but love for their non Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters. Mirza Sahib said," O heart don't grieve for the opposition of Muslims, after all they do it in the love of your prophet'. Dear brother, the hearts of Ahmadis go out for their non Ahmadi brothers when they see them doing shameful things. Look which countries are considered to be the most corrupt? I shall not badger this point any further. I wish you health and happiness. Please continue to advise non Ahmadis to leave Ahmadis alone. They are Allah's creatures. He will handle them the way He desires. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Wednesday, March 12, 1997 at 13:08:35 (EST)

Mr Abdul Aziz and other readers, Assalam o alaikum to muslims! First of all I would like to correct one sentence in my last posting.It should be read as " We muslims have to agree on no distinction among prophets" . Mr abdul aziz you have admitted what i wanted to prove. Mirza's books are not divine. And there is only one book out of more than hunderd is an average book.Your justification about mirza is not liar on behalf of that book which is less than .1% of mirza's writtings is not fair. To be a liar only one sentence is enough.There was a man who was saying " God is one.Muhammad (PBUH) was his prophet. Holy Quran is the only for Haddyat but I am son of God" now whats your comments about this person. He is liar or not? Any body can be detracked at any stage of life. I didn't read that book what you mentioned but it doesn,t matter.I am not sopposed to read every bulshit of Kazib.Now you may ask if i didn't read that book why I am saying Kazib Mirza. I am not saying kazib to him on behalf of that book. Mirza claimed prophethood, I read my holy book Holy Quran there I couldn't find any place for any more prophet after last prophet Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH) and Almighty Allah told us there about completion of DEEN A ISLAM. When Islam is completed, prophethood is finished than if some one claims prophethood it means he is liar.And Lannat on Kazibeen. In holy Quran nothing is doubtful (Albaqar ;1).Complete means complete and Khattam means Khattam. No more question.People who got right track they are lucky.May God help you to find right track.my dear abdulaziz don't waste your life in defending Kazib Mirza Mardood.I request you mr Khalid Ismail, leave this abdulaziz and his fellows alone.If some one is always defending the liars means they don't want truth for those people there is last verse of Al Kafiroon.Its there luck .wassalam to all muslims.
Naim ud din <naim@>
Islamabad, Pakistan - Wednesday, March 12, 1997 at 09:09:58 (EST)

MR Abdul Aziz and Other Qadianis. You are contradicting your own words on one hand you are saying that Rohani Khazian is Divine work on the other hand you are saying it is written by a human. So you yourself is not clear where to put this controversial junk which Mirza the Kazib produced. Before I go any further lets see what Islam says about the speech of prophet and believers. The companions used to say the following about the Holy prophet Mohammad’s speech : The messenger of Allah - upon him be the peace and blessing of Allah, was neither harsh-tongued by nature nor by will, nor did he(pbuh) ever indulge in undignified talk in bazaars. (Tirmizi). The Prophet(pbuh) himself laid down the norm of speech for believers: The believer is not wont to attacking or cursing people, nor they use harsh and filthy expressions (trimizi) on the contrary according to the prophet, the characteristics of a hypocrite is that whenever he fights he became abusive. Now let me quote a few lines from the so called divine work produced by mirza. ‘These enemies have become the swines of our forest, and their women are even worse than bitches. (Anjam-i-Atham, P.158) and lets see how he addressed a renowned Sufi of his time Mihr Ali Shah Golravi. One of Mirza’s couplets read ‘So I said ; O land of Golra upon thee be cursed. Thou has been accursed because of the accursed one’ (Ajaz-i-Ahmadi. pp, 75-76). At one place while addressing to his opponents he said. ‘ Will these people be prepared to swear ? No, Never. For they are liars and are eating the carcass of falsehood like dogs’ (Anjam-i-Atham, p.25). The above are only a few examples of language of a man who claimed he was a prophet. And there are hundreds of places in his writings where he used similar kind of language. Now if you all are blind and insist that whatever he wrote is inspired by Allah then how can you find the true path. He was the greatest liar of all times who cleverly first pretend by indulging on low class debates that he is defending Islam and then claimed a full fledge prophethood for himself and now his writings and his Khalifa are leading you astray. So Wake up Qadiani’s this foul mouth person was not a prophet he was an apostate and a Grand Liar. Mr Aziz Can you provide me any justification for this language which was totaly opposite to what last prophet (pbuh) ordered us ?
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, March 12, 1997 at 06:06:42 (EST)

Mr. Khalid: I read your response. Roohani Khazain is a collection of books full of wisdom. It can be apreciated only by those who are pious and have an open mind. Divine words do not penetrate the closed hearts, minds and souls. Look even Allah words, the Quran itself, does not help people who are arrogant. It is hadaya for muttaqeen. I can understand your state of mind. If Allah's words do not help you, how can words of Mirza Sahib, a human, be appreciated by you. Let us come to the Nobel prize point. I hope you know what a Nobel prize is. It was not my point that the awardees are illiterate, half wits or lazy people. I assure you that getting a Nobel prize requires a lifetime of work and courage. You did not understand that as a Muslim there are deeds of which you can be proud of and there are things of which you can be ashamed of. Dr. Salam's work is something of which you can be proud of if you are a Pakistani, at least. Your philosophy that Mushreqeen can get this prize without hard simply indicates that you have not looked into the type of work these awardees do to deserve this honor. Regarding your comments on Mirza Sahib's writings in 'Qazi Yar Ahmed's book", please wait. I have to get the book ane read it. I don't express my opinion without having knowledge of the point under discussion. Finally I want you to explain to me that in sura Alaraf, aya 35 Allah says, O children of Adam, whenever there comes to you Messengers from amongst you...' Please tell me is this aya applicable to you or not. Also are ayas 26, 27, and 31 of the same sura applicable to you as a Muslim? Since you are interested in helping understand Islam, I have some more questions about Quran and Hadith for you. Please let me know the answer to the above question. Thank you. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 21:09:05 (EST)

Mr,khalid you have very big mouth but it does not matter to us because ALLAH says in the Quran""ALLAH will punish their mockery and will let them continue in their transgression wandering blindly""You khalid is perfect example of this. Mr khalid at last you admit that THE PHILOSPHY OF TEACHING OF ISLAM is an account average book.I wonder why did you say that according your blief Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam ahmad is a kazib and i dont understant what makes kazib write a wonderful book in faver of Islam. khalid this writing shows us that he was humble servent of Islam and its prophet. Khalid i want to know where were any muslim on that time who can defend islam that is why i said you talk to much but dont act according islam.Now read this ""We are not followers of Mirz sahib nor do we have any kind of contact with him. however we canot be unjust in our commentary.In answering the question, Mirza sahib relied solely on the Quran.Mirza sahib's lecture was complete and comprehensive, replete with gems of knowldge, wisdom truths and mysteies.The philosophy of Divine was so marvellously expressed that the entire audience was left overwhelmed.(Chaudhvin sadee, Rawalpindi--February 1897). khalid sahib this is not me a someone like you but had more open mind to eccept the the fects. khalid is this a indication of kazib please open up learn fects bout Ahmadiyyat. Look khalid what The promised Messiah is saying ''The boundless blessings and peace be upon Mustafa, O God; Verily through him we receive thy light. It was because of you that we became the best of all the peoples,O prophet of God who is the best of all the prophets As you marched ahead of all the rest,we too stepped forward. Khalid sahib open your eyes and see the tru Promised Messiah I think you dont know this is writing of Promised Messiah. may Allah open your eyes.
hamid <hawraich@learn.senecas.ca>
toronto, ont Canada - Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 14:35:18 (EST)

MR ABDUL AZIZ: I am still waiting for your explanation about the statement of Mirza which I quoted a while ago. Don’t be an advocate for ‘Student??’. I can understand who he is by his words (A Muslim who became so agitative on saying Mirza Ghulam the Kazib, go and befoul somebody else). You are asking proofs for saying Mirza the Grand Kazib. His writings (Rohani Khazian) is a living proof for his lies. These books have so many contradictions and low level stuff that even a layman after reading these books strongly questions the mental health and integrity of this man. Please remove the curtain from your eyes and read these books carefully and you will find the truth. I am glad you expressed your views about this Nobel prize business. You confirmed that by betraying the cause of Islam they(non believers/Mushriqs) awarded Yasar/Anwar/Moufoz the Nobel prize but they became very generous and pious when they awarded the same prize to Anjahani Salam for discovering some explanation for Noor of Allah. You really make me Laugh...... The musriqs/non-believers do not change their attitude towards Islam (as Allah stated is Quran). The reason is, Anjahani Salam was a vocal follower of Qadianism and Qadianism is a treason to Islam(by creating a brand new prophet Mirza the Kazib). That’s why they were so generous to him. So the reason was same for all the cases. I want to highlight another point, now you Qadiani’s are saying that what Salam discovered was part of Noor of Allah. Why Salam did not ever mentioned this thing in science circles ( A true believer will never be ashamed and hesitant of saying this in front of most of non believer scientists) and only said it in the Qadiani mouth piece (i.e Al-Fazal) magazines. Wasn’t this act of his falls into the category of hypocrisy? saying something in science circles and other in Qadiani circles about the same thing. As for as Mirza’s writing ‘Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam’ is concerned. don’t glorify it too much. It is by any account an average writing and taking the whole picture in account his claims his very bad language for his opponents make him a very mean person and an outright apostate. You Qadiani says that this writing of Mirza got first prize in a contest. Look who were the contesters and judges mostly third rate priests of Hindu’s and Bazari style Paderi’s from Punjab. They were more than obliged to award writing of Mirza the first prize by his contribution for betrayal of Islam (by claiming prophethood). Go and read some very fantastic work of muslims (who just said that they are ordinary muslims and never claimed any thing), for example Iqbal’s ‘Recontruction of religious thoughts in Islam’. It is hundred time better and eloquent writing on Islam than Mirza the Kazib’s ‘ Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam’. May Allah help you to follow the right path(amin).
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 03:09:53 (EST)

The research and work thus produced speaks of dedication and indepth study by the authors. This is one subject we all need to be educated as most of us know very little of these issues. We should never involve with anyone in discussion without sufficient knowledge on the subject. After reading this page I feel confident to respond to any propoganada in this regard. I would very much like to download a copy off all these articles sometime as if I can place them on my BBS for public use of my users here in Islamabad. Well Done!
Suhail Iqbal <suhail@compucraze.sdnpk.undp.org>
Islamabad, Pakistan - Sunday, March 09, 1997 at 14:20:50 (EST)

Very useful and excellent work. Very useful to answer Ahmadiyya's propaganda. They are very active in the former Communist countries. May Allah, s.w.t., bless and reward you. Muhsin Jaffer
Muhsin Jaffer <muntazir@dircon.co.uk>
London, United Kingdom - Sunday, March 09, 1997 at 13:44:12 (EST)

Listen Khalid Ismail, You obviously missed my point. Think what you want, believe what you wish to believe. Just let others believe what their minds wish to believe. Just because you think yourself as being right, doesn't mean that you should unwillingly change the minds of others. It's not right. I respect your point of view, now learn to respect others without hating them and putting them down, or putting down what they believe in. This is not the way to alter someone's thinking. You need to carry an open-mind and respect your peers and elders. This is your duty not only as a Muslim but as a human being, whether you are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist etc, etc, etc, We are all servants of Allah and that is what is most important. Remember, I could call you a disbeliever, but I am minding my own business, as you should also, Asslamualekum.
A student <..>
..., . .. - Sunday, March 09, 1997 at 12:53:41 (EST)

Mr. Khalid Ismail: In your response to the 'Student' you ask him to be brave and declare that he is an Ahmadi though he says that he is not one. That is not Islamic. Unless you have knowledge of something, please don't be a sage on that. Also how about being brave yourself and at least writng your e-mail address in your responses. Also please give some arguments when you tell somebody a liar, a kazib, burn in hell, etc. Cursing without proof is not human. Now that was my suggestion. I n your response to Mrs Yea Right you said that in addition to Dr. Salaam three other Muslims have been awarded Noble Prize. Let us look at the reason for these awards. Sadaat and Arafat agreed to Israeli conditions on the peace process and they got the prize. Mahfooz got the prize by writing a novel in which he insulted Islam and Quran to an extent that many Egyptians wanted to kill him. Mr Khalid, would you be happy if 'Salman Rushdi and/or Taslima Nasreen (from Bangla Desh) who have brought nothing but bad publicity to Islam be awarded Noble prize? Now let us look at Dr Salaam's acievements. He was trying to prove that all energy comes from one source, i.e., light, the NOOR of Allah. Though he could not complete his work but he did prove a part of it. Now should Muslims not feel pride in such work. Or should they curse him simply because his beliefs were somewhat (but not totally) different from other Muslims. Please read a book authored by Hazrar Mirza Ghulam Ahmad: "Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam". I am sure you will understand how glorious the prophet of Islam (Hazrzt Muhammad SAS) is and how glorious is the religion of Islam. What is now reperesented as Isalm (by the iliterate Mullah) is nothing but a smeared version of Islam. May Allah have mercy on you and all of the umma.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Sunday, March 09, 1997 at 11:16:23 (EST)

Well Well Well Mr Student: Don’t disguise yourself as a Muslim, stay Qadiani what you are. Your Grand Liar in hell will be very angry with you on your this statement. I am not a racist rather I feel pity for you Guys because initially Grand Liar (Mirza Ghulam) and now his fraud Khalifa (Tahir) is leading you astray, that’s why I have very strong convictions about both of them. Your language reflects that you are truly following the sunnat of Mirza the Kazib. Show some courage and do not pretend to be a Muslim. No Muslim can ever abuse me by saying Mirza a Liar because that’s one of the belief he shares with me. May be you are born in America but open minded, think it again. You guys only rot the lesson which Mirza and his Disciple Tahir gave you . Even Muslim saints never claim that they will surely go in heaven and I am an ordinary and humble Muslim will never say anything like that but after reading some of the sermons of Tahir and talking to some of the Qadiani’s, compelled me to think that Tahir put this thing in your brain that you are straight going to Janat because of obeying him and paying him booty.......and American govt will not charge me by saying Mirza a Liar I will be here to defend the finality of my beloved prophet(pbuh) and will be very assertive about the Grand Kazib. May he burn in hell till eternity(say Amin). Have a nice day where ever you are and say my hello to Mr Yeah Right and Mrs Yeah Damn Right.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Sunday, March 09, 1997 at 07:20:00 (EST)

Dear Mr. Naim ud Din: Ilooked at your arguments. Your sentence, "Therefore we Muslims have to agree on distinction among prophets" tells me that you agree that Prophet Muhammad (SAS) was endowed with gifts better than those given to other prophets. Would'nt glory go along with the best gifts from the creator? Secondly you are comparing apples and oranges. Sura "KAUSAR" is Allah's word. How can any human's writings be compared with that? What Mirza Sahib wrote is human endeavour. However, I give you one example of the quality of his work. His book, "Philosophy of the teachings of Islam" was acclaimed as the best advocacy of Islam even by his opponents. Please do read it. You will understand much better. Also remeber that the state of mind of the reader determines to a considerable extent the beauty of the writings. Look at Quran. Some baised writers have called it coherent (Naoozbillah). May Allah show you the right path. Wassalaam
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Saturday, March 08, 1997 at 23:57:51 (EST)

Mr. Khalid Ismail It's no use talking to a RACIST such as yourself. So, just back off and learn some Islamic values. Why do you hate so much? Did your mother abandon you or something? Get a life quick because you are indefinitely going to the pits of hell. And another thing, you're a Fob, I presume. Well, me even though I'm not Ahmadi and I have Ahmadi friends I was born in AMERICA and have an open mind unlike you. Just get out of America and go back to Pakistan or whatever because you aren't welcome here YOU RACIST KAFIR. Just because you are so called Muslim, doesn't mean you will go directly to Heaven. Take a good look at yourself and your hatred toward others. Astagfurallah. GROW UP!
A student AKA MISS yeah right <...>
..., .. .. - Saturday, March 08, 1997 at 12:48:57 (EST)

Dear Abdul Aziz, I read your justification about ranking in prophets. I think here again you couldn't understand the real meanings of two aya mubbaraks. In aya 254 of Albaqar ( Tilkul....)degree of honour discussed is not among prophets but the gifts (FAZALS) God has given them. And its very clear in this aya that God talked with some of them and a holy spirit was given to jesus christ. These DARJAATS are with Gifts God gave them, but in aya 284 different thing is discussed that is that every muslim believes in Allah, His angels,His books, His prophets and do not make any distinction among any one of prophets... . Making relation between these two ayas mubarak we believe that grade wise honour wise every prophet was equal but the gifts what God has given to them , as God used to talk with Hazzarat Musa(PBUH), To Hazzarat Dawood (pbuh) a big kingdom, to Hazarat Ibrahim (PBUH) Father hood of prophets and converted fire into garden and Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH) finality. Here God discussed his relations with prophets. Therefore we muslims have to believe on distinction among prophets.In aya 284 God told that every muslim believes, while in aya 254 God told about Himself that I have given, this is the difference.And the other point about Kazib word is truth is always bitter, but he was Kazib. People (KUFAAR E MECCA) blamed to Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH) a poet. But when Hazzarat Muhammad (PBUH) presented Surah Kausar and challenged all poets to write any poem better than this no one could write.Because this surah is human being's writting,These are KALAMAT of GOD. If you read any book or any writting of Mirza youy will find c or d grade language. Here I am not trying to let down you but trying to tell you real truth. May God you to understand the truth.I prey for you deep heartly.Khuda hafiz and wassalam to all muslims.
Naim ud din <naim@>
Isalamabad, Pakistan - Saturday, March 08, 1997 at 11:51:58 (EST)

MR Abdul Aziz: You are trying to create a vacancy for Mirza the Liar (When I say liar I do not abuse him That is my belief according to Islam). As for as word Khatam is concerned it means seal (to put an end or to close) like at various other places in Quran (Khatam-Allah-Ala-Quloob-e-Him: Allah has sealed their hearts). Is the word seal used here in the meaning of issue something. Don’t let yourself astray. Lets see at some occasions what Mirza said about word Khatam. “For the achievement of this purpose God appointed a deputy from among the people of Muhammad, who was named the promised Messiah, As the KHATAMAL-KHULAFA Thus the holy prophet stands at the beginning of the period of his Prophethood and the promised Messiah stands towards the end of it” (Ahmadiyyat the Renaissance of Islam pp-136). Did mirza here used word Khatam as stamp to issue or an end. Here he is saying that he is the last, hence he opened the door of prophethood for himself but then shut it behind himself that’s why I say him a thief who tried to steal the finality of Prophethood but failed mesirably. Waiting for your justification (if you have any) of the words of Mirza which I quoted in the earlier post. May Allah give you some wisdom so you stop following a liar and impositor and revert back to the true path. (amin)
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Saturday, March 08, 1997 at 04:31:47 (EST)

Mr. Naim ud Din: This is Abdul Aziz. You object to my interpretting Khamannbiyyeen as the most gloriest prophet. You think I am ranking the prophet which is prohibited by Allah. Please read the aya number 253 sura AlBaqara. "Tilk arrosolo fazzalna bazahum ala baaz....". Have I made a mistake in interpretting Katamannabi as the most glorious when you know that in the Arabic language it is a recognized term, such as Khatam ul Mufassereen, Khatam us Shura. Unless you try to change the Arabic language my interpretation is not wrong. Now I agree with you that Allah (SWA) says, "la nufarrerqo bain ......". So let us try to reconcile the two ayas. I do it by believing that God gave different ranks to prophets but as human we cannot say that I shall do what this prophet says and not what that prophet says. We should not discriminate between them on certain man-made bases. Please tell me how do you reconcile the two ayas. Finally, please don't use the words 'kazib', liar etc. You may (and I know you are) be wrong. Are'nt the Christians, Jews, and Hindus calling Prophet Muhammad (SAS) liar (Naoozbillah summa Naoozbillah). We know they are wrong and they have not recognized the truth as yet. So please wait. Read and understand Quran more carefully. I pray that Allah shows you the right path. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Friday, March 07, 1997 at 17:01:18 (EST)

Assalamu Alikum, I like your homepage and it's good help others who have deviated from Islam.
Ahmed Faiz Kamal <fkamal@hotmail.com>
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, March 07, 1997 at 16:36:46 (EST)

Assalamu Alikum, I like your homepage and it's good help others who have deviated from Islam.
Ahmed Faiz Kamal <fkamal@hotmail.com>
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, March 07, 1997 at 16:36:21 (EST)

Mr. Khalid Ismail: You still persist that Sura Al Araf's ayahs Numbers 26, 27, 31, and 35 are allusions to entire mankind. Please tell me: Are you a part of mankind or not? According to books on population statistics more members of the race mankind have lived after the birth of the Prophet Muhammad(SAS) than before. So you think that Quran was revealed to those gone before us. Also please give me some proof of your contention that most of the Sura AlAraf is for the audience other than the umma of Prophet Muhammad (SAS). Don't ask me to take your word on this simply because you happen to be from the majority party at this time. Second please note that it is not Ahmadis only who translate Khatama not to mean the last but seal. Look at the following translations by NonAhmadis: 1. Saudi Arabian Government, 2, N. J. Dawood. I can provide you with more examples if you want. Also please fear Allah before you dare change the Arabic text of Quran. The word is Khatama and not Khatima. These are two different words in Arabic. Third please make a change in your tone towards civility. Calling another person a 'liar' is not brave. Look at Christians, Jews, and Hindus. They call Prophet Muhammad (SAS) liar (Naoozbillah) even when there are more than one billion Muslims. They have not recognized truth as yet but it does not mean that by saying so they have saved their souls. I am sure if you will patiently read and understand Quran you will find truth. Fourth I shall definitely reply to your question but I have not got the facts. Let me get the book and read it. Insha Allah I shall tru ASAP. May Allah have mercy on you. Wassalaam
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt>
ca USA - Friday, March 07, 1997 at 15:45:42 (EST)

MR Abdul-Aziz: In Ayats (26, 27, 31, 35) of Al-A-Raf it is an allusion to entire mankind which I already said in my previous post keeping in context of earlier Prophets(pbut) and the Last Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) which are subjected in this surah. Fear Allah and don’t extrapolate the meaning and create justification for Liar Mirza. As for as word Khatim is concerned stick with the Quranic meaning (seal: used as for closure or an end), if additional meaning has been added to it over the period of time in different books does not mean that we have to change the Quranic context for this word. Search for word Khatim (seal/sealed) on one of the Quranic web site and you will get these I looked thoroughly a few months ago but don’t have references with me. I am waiting for your explanation of mirza’s statements which I mentioned in my previous post. Don’t run and change the topic provide us some explanation for that. I did not use any foul language towards this fictitious Qadiani Lady (Mrs Yeah Damn Right) I simply used the saying of Mirza who said that he was self-implanted seedling of British by virtue of it you all belongs to same seedling which your liar Mirza mentioned. Cheers
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Friday, March 07, 1997 at 07:19:58 (EST)

Finally. Finally I found somebody who talks to 'Iblees'. What is he to you? First cousin? Brother? What is this your site? A joke about Islam? You just want to tell people that the message of Peace, which Holy Prophet (pbuh) broght to the world is not in which we, Muslim, believe. And still, should we call these Qadianies "LIARS", if they would go to foreign countries and tell them what is happening to them in Islamic countries. When Muslims meet each other, they spread peace message "Assalam-o-Alaikum..." Islam means "peace". What is your religion "ISLAM" "PEACE" This word ANTI and PEACE don't go together. Br. Rashid!! Let me tell you. You still have time to go back, before it's too late. You can't even guess what will happen when it is "TOO LATE" MUSLIM
MUSLIM <anman@thor.idirect.com>
Toronto, ONTARIO Canada - Thursday, March 06, 1997 at 21:42:13 (EST)

Mr Abdul Aziz and all other Qadianis Hi ! I have read your postings and muslim's postings. One thing I have observed that you qadianis are in fact liar but vocal. Do you think using names such as mr right,mrs right,iblees etc supports your claim about muslims but leave it. The other point is of Khatam ul nabien, you people use meanings of the best, it means there is grading in Rasuls. As you Qadianis genrally in defending Kazib Mirza say that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the greatest prophet. Here are you not contradicting the Aya of Holy Quran Where it is said ".. La Naffarqo bain ahaden min rusla he.." (Al baqar 284). It means if some one makes any difference among prophets is directly challenging Holy Quran. You can't say that this prophet is A-1 and another prophet is of A grade etc.The best is the 3rd degree of Good, ie good , better, best, same is for greatest. It means you people believe that some prophets were good, some were better and one is the best.And its again contradiction with Holy Quran. Actually in defence of one lie you have to say more lies.Actuall bine of contention was Mirza Ghulam Lanat ullah alaih him. Only to defend his bullshit you people are twisting the meanings of Holy Quran and are in trouble. Now I want to clear I naim ud din do not putting my address as I have no time to recieve hunderds of abusive mails every day from you qadianis. Once long long ago did this stupudity to put my email address after that untill I didn't change my address contiusally I recived threatning and abusive language mails then I changed my address. I am sorry I can't put my address here therefore don't ask for it. Bye to you qadianis and wassalam to muslims
Naim ud din <naim@so so>
Islamabad, Pakistan - Thursday, March 06, 1997 at 20:57:56 (EST)

Mr. Ismail: This is Abdul Aziz. You say I have taken the aya out of context. But I gave you three more aya from the same sura. They are ayas 26, 27, and 31. Don't they form the context to aya 35? If you think that aya 35 is for the general audience and not for the Muslims then I wonder what part of Quran you would consider applicable to Muslims, for whom it was specifically revealed and which part is meant for people gone before? Could you please tell me which ayas and suras are for the Muslims and which are just for others? Regarding the 'quotation' from the book you referred to, please wait I do not have that book. Now your contention that the word 'Khatama' always means closure: please let me have the suras ans nd the ayas. But remember Quran is revealed in Arabic and the language has its grammar and traditions. In many books, before the coming of Masih- Maood, the word 'Khatama' has been used, where it means not the last but the best, the most glorious. Examples are 'Khatamal- mufassireen, Khatamas Shura'. I can quote many more. I will give you the references if you doubt my statement. Even the 'Saudi Govt. translation of Quran does not say that Khatama is the last. Further I read your response to Mrs. YeaRight. Fear God when you use bad language to a woman. Now I wait for you response to my question: Which portions of Quran are for guidance of Muslims and which they should read just as stories applicable to old people? Thank you. Again please use civilized language in your response. Thank you.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Thursday, March 06, 1997 at 11:11:10 (EST)

Welcome aboard Mrs Yeah-Damn-Right: where is Mr Yeah Right, busy in doing dishes I suppose. Anyway don’t be upset. What I am saying is simple reality not abuse. Mirza Ghulam was a grand Kazib, together with great clown Nurruddin (you say this clown: Nurruddin the great) he created the facade of Qadianism. May both of them burn in the deepest pit of hell for leading you and ten million others to astray. From Muslim’s point of view Nobel Prize (awarded and managed by people, most of whom even don’t believe in Allah and the rest are mushreeq’s which are severely condemned by Allah in Quran) is not a big pride. Muslims believe in the reward bestowed by Allah and asks for his favour and reward. But you Qadiani’s are very boastful and proud of this award given by Musreeq’s and non-believers but offcourse you are the seedling of the same lot what else can be expected by you. For your information three Muslims also got this so-called noble Prize (Mahfooz something: an Egyptian novelist, Yasar Arafat & Anwaar-us-sadaat) and Anjahani Dr Salam was a Qadiani. This hypocritic slogan ‘ Love for all hatred for none’ you borrowed from mushreeqs. who say this from lips and act contrary to that. As for as muslims they have been told by Allah in Quran to love true believers and don’t develop deep friendships with mushreeqs and non-believers and love for them is totally out of question. You Qadiani’s hypocritically claim to love everyone but your Mirza was not so generous he used extreme insultive and abusive language for his opponents, don’t be hypocrite please follow the sunnat of your Mirza the grand liar. Say my hello to Mr Yeahright and next time don’t send your message thrice One is enough I can read it. cheers
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Thursday, March 06, 1997 at 07:08:44 (EST)

Mr Abul-Aziz: You are banking on the usual tips of your cult. Most of Surah Al-A-Raf is dicussing the earlier prophets(pbut) and addressing last Prophet (pbuh) and same is the case with ayat 35 which keeping in view the context (previous prophets(pbut) and the Last Prophet (pbuh)) giving a general allusion to the mankind but by no means indicating about the coming of more prophets any way. So you cannot take this ayat out of given context and extract indirect meanings. But your whole religion is based on extrapolation. Mirza Ghulam extrapolated and invented the meaning of Khatam as seal of authority to issue something contarary to actual meanings which are closure or an end. The world Khatam/khitam is used more than six places in Quran and at every place it is used in the meaning of closure or an end. In Quran the same world can never be used in contradictory meaning ( closur/end vs issue/open). before we go any further please give me some explanation of the following statement of Mirza. "Hazrat Maseeh Mauood on one occasion revealed his condition that state of revelation overcame upon him in a manner as if he is a female and God has expressed his power of virility (masculinity). A hint is enough for the wise : extract from Islami Qurbani, author Qazi Yar Mohammed Qadiani " Please don’t say that this is a lie. I am waiting for your reply.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Thursday, March 06, 1997 at 07:06:18 (EST)

Mr. Navali: Your facts you state in your comments are not correct. Mirza Bashiruddin did not proclaim that Masih-e- Mauud was a prophet. The latter himself so stated in his book, 'Eik Ghalti Ka Izala". Secondlu your conclusion that rift in the Ahmadiyya movement immediately after the death of Hazrzt Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a proof of its falsehood. This conclusion is not right. Immediately after the death of Prophet Muhammad(SAS) some Muslims turned back to Kufar. Even two of theproclaimed to be prophets. Also during Hazrzt Ali's (RA) Muslims split into two groups. Does it prove anything. No. Wassalaam.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Wednesday, March 05, 1997 at 21:03:35 (EST)

Mr Khalid Ismail: This is Abdul Aziz. I am neither Mr. Yearight nor I know that gentleman. Your saying that now you know mw indicates that you like to conclude without investigating the facts. You say Ahmadis talk of preferal issue is not borne by comments made by Ahmadis and Non hmadis in this Guest book. What I find is this: Most but not all Non Ahmadis are simply interested in calling names, writing filthy comments and saying things of which they have no knowledge. On the other hand Ahmadis talk about substantial issues. Now let us start talking about a very important issue. I interpret Katamannabi as Muhammad (SAS)Muhammad (SAS) as the most glorious prophet. You interpret it as the last. Let us look at Quran. Go to sura ALARAAF aya 35. Read it carefully. If Prophet Muhammad(SAS) is the last prophet, then how come Allah advises the readers of Quran to follow the Messengers? Remeber here it is plural not singular. Now if you say that the address is to people before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (SAS) then please look at ayas 26, 27, and 31 of the same sura. Would you say that those ayas also do not apply to us? I shall appreciate your answering my question like a civilized man, without calling me names. Thank you.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
Ca USA - Wednesday, March 05, 1997 at 20:46:46 (EST)

This is MRS. Yeah right coming to you. First of all let me say, how dare you defend your immoral selves by disgusting putdowns of others. Whether you believe in the Promised Messiah or not, a human being doesn't deserve to be called such rubbish. With the language you use, you yourselves are proving the degradation of Muslims today. Also, if you don't believe or don't wish to believe than FINE! Don't go prejudging people for their own beliefs that they have wished to follow. Leave them be. And quit the hatred because today's world looks down upon racist people like you. I pray you keep an open mind, because that infact makes up a large proportion of God's human character. You obviously wish to take a different course by supporting people who kill innocent people simply for their beliefs and ideals. Supression seems to be alright with you. If you know any Ahmadis at all you would realize that they have some of the most logical explanations while your maulvis have a hard time incorporating religion with science. That is why the only Muslim to win a Nobel prize in Science or any Nobel Prize was an OPEN MINDED AHMADI! That is all I have to say. May Allah teach you how to love more and to hate less.
Mrs. Yeah I'm damn right <no>
?, ? usa - Wednesday, March 05, 1997 at 20:16:36 (EST)

This is MRS. Yeah right coming to you. First of all let me say, how dare you defend your immoral selves by disgusting putdowns of others. Whether you believe in the Promised Messiah or not, a human being doesn't deserve to be called such rubbish. With the language you use, you yourselves are proving the degradation of Muslims today. Also, if you don't believe or don't wish to believe than FINE! Don't go prejudging people for their own beliefs that they have wished to follow. Leave them be. And quit the hatred because today's world looks down upon racist people like you. I pray you keep an open mind, because that infact makes up a large proportion of God's human character. You obviously wish to take a different course by supporting people who kill innocent people simply for their beliefs and ideals. Supression seems to be alright with you. If you know any Ahmadis at all you would realize that they have some of the most logical explanations while your maulvis have a hard time incorporating religion with science. That is why the only Muslim to win a Nobel prize in Science or any Nobel Prize was an OPEN MINDED AHMADI! That is all I have to say. May Allah teach you how to love more and to hate less.
Mrs. I'm Damn right <no>
?, ? usa - Wednesday, March 05, 1997 at 20:15:36 (EST)

This is MRS. Yeah right coming to you. First of all let me say, how dare you defend your immoral selves by disgusting putdowns of others. Whether you believe in the Promised Messiah or not, a human being doesn't deserve to be called such rubbish. With the language you use, you yourselves are proving the degradation of Muslims today. Also, if you don't believe or don't wish to believe than FINE! Don't go prejudging people for their own beliefs that they have wished to follow. Leave them be. And quit the hatred because today's world looks down upon racist people like you. I pray you keep an open mind, because that infact makes up a large proportion of God's human character. You obviously wish to take a different course by supporting people who kill innocent people simply for their beliefs and ideals. Supression seems to be alright with you. If you know any Ahmadis at all you would realize that they have some of the most logical explanations while your maulvis have a hard time incorporating religion with science. That is why the only Muslim to win a Nobel prize in Science or any Nobel Prize was an OPEN MINDED AHMADI! That is all I have to say. May Allah teach you how to love more and to hate less.
Mrs. I'm Damn right <no>
?, ? usa - Wednesday, March 05, 1997 at 20:12:54 (EST)

Subject: The *SPLIT* in the Ahmadiyya Movement -- ORIGIN OF THE FALSE DOCTRINES ...... Newsgroups: alt.religion.islam,soc.culture.pakistan.religion,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.religion. ..... Message-Id: <857581825.12621@dejanews.com> Reply-To: alnoor@form-net.com Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: rasyed@emirates.net.ae,review@islam.ahmadiyya.org, X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 05 17:10:47 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 194.201.253.2 (formnet-svr.form-net.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; I) SalaamA, Believe me, despite man's deliberate efforts to conceal the truth or even fabricate falsehood in order to hide, falsify or distort the former, Allah unfolds *THE TRUTH* in His own mysterious ways at some most appropriate and opportune time. Qadianism is a concrete example of the aforesaid. Here's what I mean. We are told: >> The Promised Messiah died in 1908, and soon after his death opposition to him began to mellow down, his own verbal assurances in 1908 in big respectable gatherings in Lahore immediately before his death going a long way to remove the misconception spread by the Maulvis. Yet only six years had elapsed, WHEN HIS OWN SON [and Qadiani khalifa #2], MIRZA MAHMUD AHMAD, **MISLED INTO A WRONG BELIEF** by some youthful members of the community **BEGAN TO PROMULGATE THE DOCTRINE THAT** Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was actually a prophet, that he was in fact the Ahmad spoken of in Jesus' prophecy referred to in the Holy Quran in 61:6, and that ALL THOSE MUSLIMS who had not entered into his bai'at formally, wherever they might be living in the world, WERE KAFIRS, outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah ----- What the Maulvis said out of spite and TO BRING THE PROMISED MESSIAH TO DISGRACE, IS NOW, ALAS, UPHELD BY A SECTION OF HIS FOLLOWERS [the Qadianis], and the case resembles exactly the case of Jesus Christ, thus fulfilling the words of the Holy Prophet who had said that the Muslims would follow the ways of the Jews and the Christians. ORIGIN OF THE FALSE DOCTRINES. ============================= Though these *NOVEL DOCTRINES* have been brought into prominence with the dissension of 14th March 1914 and thus have largely occupied the attention of the Ahmadiyya community during the last three years, the first glimpse of them may be traced to a somewhat earlier date. AT PRESENT THE NAME M. MAHMUD [FOUNDER'S SON AND QADIANI KHALIFA #2] STANDS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR GROWTH but it was really another young man, now thrown into the background, on account of the prominent position occupied by M. Mahmud as the head of a great section of the Ahmadiyya community, Who was the first exponent of these DOCTRINES. Navali
Navali <navali@cadvision.com/alnoor@form-net.com>
- Wednesday, March 05, 1997 at 12:46:52 (EST)

Hello Mr Abdul Aziz and previously Mr.Yeahright, now atleast I have your name if it is correct. Look I have many discussions with Qadiani’s on the net and off the net but of no use. They have a few known issues to discuss which are basis for the whole cult and its founder. Why don’t you discuss what you want to say in private on this net so others might get benefited. Mirza was a hell bound apostate and every Muslims know that so please remove the curtain from your eyes and read his books with honesty and then see that either this man has any truth in his writings. Good Luck.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, March 04, 1997 at 04:20:44 (EST)

Mr Khalid Ismail: Write your e-mail address. Don't be afraid Ahmadis will not try to harm you. I want to discuss your beliefs and language with you. Wassalam.
Abdul Aziz <aa3@axe.humboldt.edu>
U.S.A. - Monday, March 03, 1997 at 19:50:34 (EST)

Yeah Mr khali ismail you are right. But Our Hazzarat Sahib was not Gay.This is your wrong information.Otherwise you are right. Actually he was schizophrenic and some what greedy too. The britisher had used his sickness.Actually they wanted to weak the muslim power. I was Ahmedi but not know. I am Thankful to you muslim brothers who have provided me real iformation about that hazzarat sahib ( one of the MALAOONS GREAT KAZIB & GREEDY ). Again thanks to you muslim brothers.
Nasir Ahmed <nasir@paknet>
LAHORE, PAKISTAN - Monday, March 03, 1997 at 09:18:21 (EST)

Mr Yeahright first let me tell you that I am not keeper of this page. His name is Rashid Ali not Khalid Ismail looking into his courageous effort I think he don’t have to change his name, he has lot of courage to standup to you guys with his own name. It is you who even do not dare to put your names. Which books are you talking ? the over twenty books of Mirza (the accursed liar) I have had browsed all of those and what a confused mind he was. He kept on generating this heap of rubbish and you gays are covering his A?? for last hundred years for the twisted rubbish he produced. Go do something better. What I have said is a truth which you have no stomach to absorb. Cheers
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Monday, March 03, 1997 at 06:17:04 (EST)

The keeper of this homepage Khalid Ismail Sahib,(Re: your incoherent and ridiculous message) What in God's name are you talking about? Last time I checked, a human has no authority to judge God's doing. Who are you to say what the Ahmadi movement stands for or what it does not. You do not know anything about the movement, it's history and it's founders. You just pick up on the rumors of disgusting quality for Ahmadiyyat to look bad. But infact, you are making yourself look like disgusting, ill-mannered, middle aged fools who are open-minded to the real world. I suggest you open your minds up to the real truth and leave the 100 year old rumors behind. The stories have gotten past the point of ridiculous and are making you people seem paranoid and indecent. Give it up! Grow up and attain some morals fast. How dare you spread illegitimate rumors with no backing. Go read some books or something.
yeahright <l>
somewhere, ? USA - Sunday, March 02, 1997 at 18:57:56 (EST)

I like your page so much because not only is Qadianiism blasphemy it's disgracing Islam by their followers calling themselves Muslims. Anyway, nice page!!
Fahad Khan <fhdkhan@erols.com>
Alexandria, VA USA - Saturday, March 01, 1997 at 23:15:15 (EST)

Hey Qadiani Clan: Your grand liar Mirza Ghulam was a nut case. He contradicted himself time and again. Initially he denied that he has any intention to make any claim and believed in the finality of prophethood but after some time he claimed he is a Mehdi then Masieh-Mowood and finally this Kazib elevated himself to full fledge prophet. He was a hell bound imposter and chauvinistic person who pretended that he is a defender of our beloved last Prophet Mohammad(bpuh) infact he tried to steel finality of Prophethood but failed miserably. His sick claims & writings speak for themselves that which kind of a sick man he was. Allah(swt) never allowed this Dajjal to enter into the holy land of Hajaz(Mecca & Medina) so he spent all his live in his masters lap in British India. Now you Qadiani hypocrites denounce and curse him to enter into the holy land (and many of you do that). A curse from Allah is imposed upon you. Now most of you and your so called accursed faced Khalifa Mirza Tahir worship his (Mirza Ghulam) grave and his accursed house in Qadian where he fabricated all his lies. Shame on You. The Grand Liar himself died in bog house suffering from Cholera/Diarrhoea. “ Fah-Ta-Bay-Roo-Ya-O-Lil-Absar”.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY USA - Saturday, March 01, 1997 at 05:24:15 (EST)

You should shame for every you say about these "Ahmadis". I have read a lot about Islam, and it seems like these ahmadis are right. At least they follow your Prophets sayings and the Holy Quran.
Glenn Jackson <glenn@hotmail.com>
ny, usa - Friday, February 28, 1997 at 05:22:09 (EST)

I am researching and hoping to learn about the ideaology of Islamic movements in Algeria and North Africa. Any information or suggestions on good material to read would be much appreciated. Thank you.
Tracie Robinson <robinsot@southwestern.edu>
Georgetown, Tx USA - Friday, February 28, 1997 at 00:22:39 (EST)

DEAR RASHID ALI, ASSALAAMU ALAIKUM, KYA HAL HA? I BELIEVE YOU AND I KNEW EACH OTHER A LONG TIME AGO IN OUR HOME TOWN. DO YOU REMEMBER A PERSON BY THE NAME OF SHAFI? THAT'S RIGHT. I AM SHAFI FROM CLIFTON, KARACHI. WE WERE TOGETHER IN KARACHI BACK IN 1964-1972. REMEMBER? WHAT FUN IT WAS BACK IN THOSE DAYS. I THOUGHT YOU WENT ON TO MEDICAL SCHOOL? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU BECAME A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OF MAULANA SHAH AND HIS ANTI-PAKISTAN MOVEMENT. THAT GUY WAS A CRAZY MAN! HE CLAIMS THAT HE IS A PROPHET, EXCEPT THAT IBLEES GIVES HIM REVELATIONS. HE'S CRAZY! HE HATED SHIAS, AHMADIS, AND MOST SUNNIS LIKE MYSELF. I ATTENDED HIS LECTURES MANY TIMES BUT NEVER WAS VERY IMPRESSED. I KNEW HE WAS TRYING TO RECRUIT YOUNG PEOPLE BACK THEN, BUT I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE RECRUITED INTO HIS CULT/MILITARY ORGANIZATION. SO THEY STATIONED YOU IN UAE? DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW ABDUL HAFEEZ SHAH IS A KAFIR AND SHOULD BE KILLED? I HEARD YOU HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN DEPORTED FROM PAKISTAN BECAUSE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO DESTROY A PAKISTANI ARMY BASE WHERE SOME SHIAS WERE POSTED. YOU WERE ARRESTED IN LAHORE WITH AMMUNITIONS ALONG WITH THREE OTHER FOLLOWERS OF HAFEEZ, RIGHT? YOU WERE ALSO CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTING TO BLOW UP A SUNNI MOSQUE WHICH DID NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR HAFEEZ AS IMAM? ISN'T THIS CORRECT? WELL, ITS A GOOD THING YOU ARE SAFE AND SOUND IN UAE. I HOPE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP YOUR ANTI-PAKISTAN CAMPAIGN NOW? I SEE YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR ORGANIZATIONS NAME TO "ANTI AHMADIYYA MOVEMENT"- THATS A GOOD SIGN! I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE KIDS. YOU REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL. YOU WERE ALWAYS FIGHTING WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE STILL TELLING PEOPLE IBLEES TALKS TO YOU. I STILL LAUGH ABOUT THE TIME YOU TOOK US TO THE BEACH IN KARACHI AND TOLD US THAT IBLEES WOULD MEET US THERE. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DAY? YOU HAD US KNEEL ON THE SAND AND THEN YOU STARTED RECITING SOME STRANGE WORDS WHICH YOU CLAIMED WERE FROM IBLEES'S LANGUAGE. WE WAITED FOR 2 HOURS AND NOTHING HAPPENED. WE STARTED LAUGHING AT YOU AND THEN YOU WENT AND FOUND A SEA SHELL WHICH YOU CLAIMED WAS AN "IBLEES PHONE"! YOU STARTED TALKING AND LISTENING IN THE SHELL SAYING THAT IBLEES WAS TALKING TO YOU! I STILL REMEMBER YOU SITTING THERE SHOUTING IN URDU: "IBLEES, IBLEES! GIVE US YOUR MAGICAL CHAPATIS!" THAT WAS SO FUNNY! EVER SINCE THAT DAY YOU ALWAYS CARRIED AROUND THAT SHELL. WE USED TO MAKE SO MUCH FUN OF YOU IN SCHOOL! THE TEACHER USED TO BEAT YOU PRETTY GOOD WHENEVER YOU SAID YOU TALK TO IBLEES. DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE DAYS? DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT SHELL WITH YOU? RASHID, ITS BEEN A VERY LONG TIME HASN'T IT? I CAN SEE YOU ARE STILL CAUSING CONTROVERSY!! I GUESS YOU'LL NEVER QUIT! YOU MUST BE WONDERING WHAT I'VE BEEN UP TO FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS? Well. . . . AFTER MY O-LEVELS I WENT TO ROME AND STUDIED STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING.I AM LIVING IN RIYADH NOW WORKING FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. I HAVE GOT YOUR ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER SO THE NEXT TIME I'M IN UAE I'LL BE SURE TO BE IN TOUCH. YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME IF YOU ARE IN SAUDI. WELL, ITS NICE TO SEE THAT YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED. THIS ALL BRINGS BACK MEMORIES. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME. ANYWAY, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. WA LAIKUM ASALAAM. SHAFI REHMAN
Shafi Rehman <shafi@sa.devcorp.net.vp>
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - Wednesday, February 26, 1997 at 12:34:24 (EST)

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muslim <next time>
toronto, ont canada - Tuesday, February 25, 1997 at 14:07:23 (EST)

Dear readers. I think after reading this web page and visiting guest book any one can guess how big liars are these mirzais followers of King of liar Mirza Ghulam. He pretended that he is prophet. Some time he was Mariam,then jessus then mahdi then prophet. And now his followers are pretending they are dr rashid, some time his old friend, some times with other fake names even they are using their own khalifas name.One can easily guess who is this liar.once mirza was used this type of language now they are. iblees who used to visit mirz, and mirza recalls his name techee techee.Dr has provided this page open to all. it was golden chance for mirzais to give their idealogy.Instead of this yelling they could produce their faith here.But barking and abusing is easy job.Every one can do so.When I visited this page i realized how big liars are these mirzais.Lannat on these kazibeens.
Observer <observer@sorry>
sorry, - Tuesday, February 25, 1997 at 11:12:08 (EST)

I have said it time and time again that Iblees talks to me...why do people have a problem with this...he has been talking with me since I was about 10 or 11 years of age and has provided me with great insights and truths. He has told me that the days of Qadianism are almost over and that by the end of this millenium it will be wiped of the face of this earth for good...he has told me many a time what a deviant and fraudulent man Mirza Qadiani is....and what a bunch of liars his followers are...that is why I set up this homepage to tell people about the truth of Qadianis... Time and time again Iblees has come to me and told me things which would be impossible for any man to make up and they have come true...this is why I feel close to Iblees and why I always feel his tender loving hands around me...he is more than just a friend...he is my guide and disciple...there is nothing wrong with this...This belief does not contradict any of the teachings of Islam...In fact many of the prophets of Allah had frequent conversations with Iblees...Also if you read some of the messages left by Qadianis it is obvious that they haven't got any spirituality or righteousness left in them ...thay are just blindly following their khalifa...to whom i have said that i have accepted his mubahala challenge but he is just running away from this....May Allah help us against our fight against Mirza Qadiani and his deviant followers. Ameen.
Dr. Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Tuesday, February 25, 1997 at 09:22:41 (EST)

DEAR RASHID ALI, ASSALAAMU ALAIKUM, KYA HAL HA? I BELIEVE YOU AND I KNEW EACH OTHER A LONG TIME AGO IN OUR HOME TOWN. DO YOU REMEMBER A PERSON BY THE NAME OF SHAFI? THAT'S RIGHT. I AM SHAFI FROM CLIFTON, KARACHI. WE WERE TOGETHER IN KARACHI BACK IN 1964-1972. REMEMBER? WHAT FUN IT WAS BACK IN THOSE DAYS. I THOUGHT YOU WENT ON TO MEDICAL SCHOOL? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU BECAME A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OF MAULANA SHAH AND HIS ANTI-PAKISTAN MOVEMENT. THAT GUY WAS A CRAZY MAN! HE CLAIMS THAT HE IS A PROPHET, EXCEPT THAT IBLEES GIVES HIM REVELATIONS. HE'S CRAZY! HE HATED SHIAS, AHMADIS, AND MOST SUNNIS LIKE MYSELF. I ATTENDED HIS LECTURES MANY TIMES BUT NEVER WAS VERY IMPRESSED. I KNEW HE WAS TRYING TO RECRUIT YOUNG PEOPLE BACK THEN, BUT I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE RECRUITED INTO HIS CULT/MILITARY ORGANIZATION. SO THEY STATIONED YOU IN UAE? DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW ABDUL HAFEEZ SHAH IS A KAFIR AND SHOULD BE KILLED? I HEARD YOU HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN DEPORTED FROM PAKISTAN BECAUSE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO DESTROY A PAKISTANI ARMY BASE WHERE SOME SHIAS WERE POSTED. YOU WERE ARRESTED IN LAHORE WITH AMMUNITIONS ALONG WITH THREE OTHER FOLLOWERS OF HAFEEZ, RIGHT? YOU WERE ALSO CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTING TO BLOW UP A SUNNI MOSQUE WHICH DID NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR HAFEEZ AS IMAM? ISN'T THIS CORRECT? WELL, ITS A GOOD THING YOU ARE SAFE AND SOUND IN UAE. I HOPE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP YOUR ANTI-PAKISTAN CAMPAIGN NOW? I SEE YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR ORGANIZATIONS NAME TO "ANTI AHMADIYYA MOVEMENT"- THATS A GOOD SIGN! I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE KIDS. YOU REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL. YOU WERE ALWAYS FIGHTING WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE STILL TELLING PEOPLE IBLEES TALKS TO YOU. I STILL LAUGH ABOUT THE TIME YOU TOOK US TO THE BEACH IN KARACHI AND TOLD US THAT IBLEES WOULD MEET US THERE. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DAY? YOU HAD US KNEEL ON THE SAND AND THEN YOU STARTED RECITING SOME STRANGE WORDS WHICH YOU CLAIMED WERE FROM IBLEES'S LANGUAGE. WE WAITED FOR 2 HOURS AND NOTHING HAPPENED. WE STARTED LAUGHING AT YOU AND THEN YOU WENT AND FOUND A SEA SHELL WHICH YOU CLAIMED WAS AN "IBLEES PHONE"! YOU STARTED TALKING AND LISTENING IN THE SHELL SAYING THAT IBLEES WAS TALKING TO YOU! I STILL REMEMBER YOU SITTING THERE SHOUTING IN URDU: "IBLEES, IBLEES! GIVE US YOUR MAGICAL CHAPATIS!" THAT WAS SO FUNNY! EVER SINCE THAT DAY YOU ALWAYS CARRIED AROUND THAT SHELL. WE USED TO MAKE SO MUCH FUN OF YOU IN SCHOOL! THE TEACHER USED TO BEAT YOU PRETTY GOOD WHENEVER YOU SAID YOU TALK TO IBLEES. DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE DAYS? DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT SHELL WITH YOU? RASHID, ITS BEEN A VERY LONG TIME HASN'T IT? I CAN SEE YOU ARE STILL CAUSING CONTROVERSY!! I GUESS YOU'LL NEVER QUIT! YOU MUST BE WONDERING WHAT I'VE BEEN UP TO FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS? Well. . . . AFTER MY O-LEVELS I WENT TO ROME AND STUDIED STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING.I AM LIVING IN RIYADH NOW WORKING FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. I HAVE GOT YOUR ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER SO THE NEXT TIME I'M IN UAE I'LL BE SURE TO BE IN TOUCH. YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME IF YOU ARE IN SAUDI. WELL, ITS NICE TO SEE THAT YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED. THIS ALL BRINGS BACK MEMORIES. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME. ANYWAY, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. WA LAIKUM ASALAAM. SHAFI REHMAN
Shafi Rehman, M.S. <Shafi@sa.devcorp.net.vp>
Riyadh, Islamic State of Saudi Arabia - Monday, February 24, 1997 at 16:34:20 (EST)

Anyone with an ounce of common sense in him knows what a complete fraud and a lie this web page is and the person (Dr.Rashid) who started it....so many lies,so many lies,so many lies...it's unbelievable....I am an Ahmadi and reading about some of the things that Dr Rashid says that Ahmadis get involved in just makes me despair at what a low level people can stoop to spread false and malicious rumours about the Ahmadiyya Jamaat. One only needs to read the Anti-Ahmadiyya homepage just to see...Taking just one thing for example...that he claims that there are financial and sexual incentives in joining the Ahmadiyya Community....this is such a lie that it is not even worth replying to....one wonders how Dr. Rashid can just go on and on trying to distort the truth....THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY FINANCIAL OR SEXUAL INCENTIVES TO BECOME AN AHMADI...NOR ARE WE A SEED OF THE BRITISH NOR DOW WE HAVE OUR OWN KALIMA....on the contrary, Ahmadis are living such a life of truth and piety that many people (who are sincerely interested in the truth) are becoming Ahmadis just by looking at the character and the piety and the sacrifices made my Ahmadis in the way of Islam.... Does not dr. rashid realise that if he is true then he has Allah on his side...that God would help him in whatever he does....and make it such that the falsehood of Qadianism (as he claims) would just come to an end? It has now been 108 years since the Ahmadiyya community was formed....why is it that after the whole might of the muslim ummah...of people who are dedicated to bring and end to the jamaat...of Dr. rashid and his "dedicated" team of volunteers who are tirelessly working to get rid of Ahmadiyyat and let people know the truth about Qadianis...that IT IS GROWING STRONGER AND STRONGER AND IS NOT WHITHERING AWAY AND DYING. Every day, every month,every year brings new blessings for Ahmadiyyat...last year 1.6 MILLION people entered the fold of Ahmadiyyat...many hospitals clinics etc...have been set up all over the world....politicians ,MPs,businessmen,doctors...etc....are all joining and the community is getting stronger by the day......IS THIS WHAT HAPPENS TO A COMMUNITY WHOSE FOUNDER YOU CLAIM TO BE A LIAR,APOSTATE AND HYPOCRITE? False people and false groups never prosper and they certainly don't need people like Dr. Rashid to take care of them....Allah himself takes care of those people who are the real enemies of Islam.... There has never been a single person who was sent by Allah but people did not oppose him and persecute him.... Take the case of the Holy Prophet Muhammad who was so persecuted ,denounced and opposed that he himself said that there has been no prophet who has suffered as much as I have....and yet from his humble surroundings he began to grow and Islam began to fluorish and in the end the Holy Prophet triumphed....because he had ALLAH'S HELP....No one can succeed without Allah's help.... So why is it that despite such bitter opposition Ahmadiyyat just goes on spradindg and spreading and why is it that the enemies of Ahmadiyyat just die and come to nothing....Take for example three bitter opponents of Ahmadiyyat 1.king Faisal of Arabia 2.Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan 3.Zia ul Haq (president) of Pakistan Why were all these 3 bitter opponents of Ahmadiyyat just murdered or died in unusual circumstances.... Is this the attitude that Allah takes with regards to those who are anti Ahmadi... people will say that these are just coincidences but one only needs to study the history of Ahmadiyyat to realise that thaere have been hundreds and thousands of these so called "coincidences" and that these are not coincidences but SIGNS OF ALLAH... As the blessed founder of Ahmadiyyat, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said in one of his poems that those of a righteous and pure disposition will surely come- and they are coming in there hundreds of thiousands... those people like Dr.Rashid who are hell bent on distorting the truth will never believe...but Ahmadiyyat will grow and grow and you will intensify your opposition tho Ahmadis and that way people will become interested in Ahmadiyyat and REALIZE THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LIES AND MALICIOUS FIGMENTS OF IMAGINATION THAT YOU SPREAD ABOUT AHMADIYYAT... MY DEAR DR RASHID...AHMADIYYAT WILL STAY FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.....
j ahmed <don't know>
b'ham, UK - Monday, February 24, 1997 at 07:59:57 (EST)

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gkj <jh>
- Monday, February 24, 1997 at 07:05:53 (EST)

This is to all people who come in and don't know what is this website! First to make it clear why QADIANIS are very different than all muslims. To be a muslim we must believe in Allah(swt) and his last Prophet/Messenger Muhammed(pbuh). The prophet said there will be no prophet after him, but the Qadianis say otherwise. Our prophet says Jesus(pbuh) shall appear in Damascus while Qadianis say in Qadinia. As muslims we don't say we hate Qadianis but we treat them like any other country treats their traitors. Since they have violated the Quran and Our Porphet's finality the deserve DEATH or EXILE from EVRY muslim COUNTRY!
Mohammad <Tamzid@juno.com>
NY, NY USA - Monday, February 24, 1997 at 06:35:20 (EST)

Ok, what's up with the junk about "Qadiani Kalima". You're stupid! We have the same kalima and the same meaning. Why are you complaining. In Pakistan if an Ahmadi recites the Kalima, he goes to jail. Now you are contradicting yourself. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Good God!
someone <nahhh>
USA - Sunday, February 23, 1997 at 13:42:27 (EST)

Ahhhhhhh...What the heck is this? It seems to me that you have some personal hatred toward the Ahmadiyya Jamaat so you get your frustrations and anger out through this homepage. No wonder, it's all a bunch of bull. Come to America and see what we do to prejudice, close-minded fools like you. We're waiting.
someone <NOWAY>
Chi-town, IL USA - Sunday, February 23, 1997 at 13:36:23 (EST)

To Rashid Ali, I just read through your homepage and gusetbook for the first time in over a month. Nothing seems to change here. You will probably never change your misleading ways. As a retired medical professional, I have a lot of time to sit at the computer and argue against your disgusting articles. BUT NOW I THINK ITS JUST A WASTE OF TIME. ONLY ALLAH CAN CHANGE YOU. I DON'T GIVE A CARE FOR WHAT LIES YOU SPREAD ON THE NET. BECAUSE YOU ARE A PERSON WHO CLAIMS REVELATIONS FROM IBLEES. My comments must have really threatened you since I see that you started a new guestbook. You run away from the truth!! I can see that my few comments on your guestbook over a month ago have also earned me the honor of being on your list with some persons named Shamvil and Ijaz. I don't know these people, but I am sure they are just average Ahmadis like myself who find it very simple to expose your lies. As for me, I am sick of you. I am too old to be wasting my time and energy on people like you. So, I give up!!! I will trust in Allah and pray that he changes your ways. I can not change you and you - Mr. Ali - can not change anybody either! It is all in the hands of Allah. May Allah guide all of us to the truth! Ameen.
Usmaan <Ahmadi3@aol.com>
New York, USA - Sunday, February 23, 1997 at 11:34:35 (EST)

Mr. Rashid Ali, Do you consider yourself to be a scholar? I don't think that it is a good approach to campaign against Ahmadiyyas by posting fake messages from their Khalifa. Have some tact! Have some class! It is not the way of Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) to behave in such a manner. The way to defeat falsehood is with Truth. Islam is the Truth. The fact that you use filthy language, talk to Iblees, misquote texts, and never base your arguments on Quran and Hadith demonstrates that your faith and knowledge of Islam is weak and superficial. NO TRUE MUSLIM WOULD DEAL WITH THEIR OPPONENTS IN THE WAY THAT YOU DO! Shame on you. Keep writing as you do and keep exposing yourself as a liar. I am sorry I ever wasted my time on a person who claims conversations with Iblees. Asalaamu Alaikum, Sohail Sharif
Sohail Sharif <private>
Canada - Sunday, February 23, 1997 at 11:16:12 (EST)

I am an ahmadi muslim and belongs to a well known SAHABI family of Pakistan. But due to some family reasons I can't disclose my name and family. My grand Pa who was a SAHBI of Hazzart G Ahmed Mirza Sahib has done a lotbof for Ahmadiat.We get honour of DEEDAR MUBBARAK of Hazzarat Sahib every year. One thing I have observed that their is not a single sign of innocense on his face.I used to think that its due to over work but since I met one Muslim sufi scholar and found an innosent bright on his face I thouhgt there is sure some "DAAL MAINE KAALA HAI" . Since then I started to visit libraries and surfing on different muslim cites on internet. I have viewed all refferences what Dr Rashid and other muslim scholars quoted.They are 100% right. I think either our Ahmadi brs do not study or they deliberately condemn them . I have made one list and highlighted over family heritage books. Luckily I have a very vast collection of books in our inherited library.I am thankful to Dr Sahib and his fellows who have opened my eyes.As soon as I will leave my country and will go some safe place I will embrace real Islam and disclose name.But very soon Insha allah I will present that list of facts on this web page. Bye KHUDA HAFIZ.
Sorry Can't mention <somewhere@paknet>
somwhere, Somewhere - Sunday, February 23, 1997 at 09:31:38 (EST)

Dear Rashid Ali : Don’t pay any heed to my ignorant followers who are saying no to my offers. They are stupids. I stand with my offers instead I add to that an offer of settlement in my masters countries (ie. UK, USA etc) who always are sincere supporters of my cause and my Jamaat otherwise they always are arch enemies of the Muslims throughout the world. So please consider my offer and contact with one of my representatives on the net (Shamvil, Usman or Dr. Ijaz). Lets talk something else Rashid. You know one of my predecessor Khalifa II Hakim Nurruddin was very naughty man. He spent many years in the court of Maharaja Kashmir as his personal Hakim. Maharaja was very lusty, evil and a class womaniser and our beloved Hakim Nurruddin provided him extremely effective Kushta’s to enhance his sexual power and spent many years in his Darbar. Our own naughty Nurruddin also hooked my GrandPa (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam) on his special recipes of aphrodisiacs That’s why GrandPa despite his old age when saw a poor 19 year old girl named Mehmoodi Begum(who incidentally was very pretty) in a family gathering become very horny about her. GrandPa invented lots of prophecies to trap the family of that girl to get her hand and spared no trick in the book to get the hand of that girl but Alas he miserably failed to achieve his goal. So to this day me and my Qadiani inventers have to create many twisted tales to prove that GrandPa was not lusty about Mehmoodi Begum. You Know Rashid I want to talk with you about lot of things but at the moment I am busy in writing my next Friday sermon for my ignorant followers to give them some new twisted stories. In the mean time have nice time in UAE and lastly Please Please consider my offer. yours sincerely
Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani <>
London, U.K. - Sunday, February 23, 1997 at 03:58:06 (EST)

Assalam-ua-laikum--- I am a Sunni Muslim, and I categorically reject the Ahmadi doctrine. However, I think I speak for most mainstream Muslims in questioning why one converses with Iblees. Rashid, although you seek to combat doctrinal error, I humbly suggest that you reconsider your affair with Iblees. I think it to be suspect at best and appalling at worst. Most Muslims I know would agree with me on this. May Allah bless you all. There is NO Prophet after Muhammad (saw). Wasalaam Majid
Majid <NA>
- Saturday, February 22, 1997 at 22:43:10 (EST)

To Mr. Syed Rashid Ali, This is the funniest page I have ever seen in my life. You are doing us a great favor by spreading such lieas about Ahmadiyyat. Because it is the MOST SIMPLE AND MINOR task to prove that youi are full of lies. After I point out and prove that you are full of lies other Muslims realize that their Ulema are liars and they become more interested in Ahmadiyyat. It is a very good thing you are doing for Islam. Please don't stop. You can not even begin to stop the truth of Ahmadiyyat! Allahu Wakbar!!!
Abdul Haq <Not telling>
Ireland - Saturday, February 22, 1997 at 22:11:17 (EST)

You have made some grave errors about what Ahmadis believe in. They do NOT in fact have their own holy books as you presume. Ahmadis look to the Holy Quran as the soul source of wisdom and practices of Islam. They also consider Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the greatest prophet ever. Obviously, you have not read up on what Ahmadiyyat is all about. Maybe if you do and read the truth instead of making up false facts you will finally find out why 10 million ahmadis have chosen this sacred path. For all who read this homepage, keep in mind that most articles are disrespectful to the community and contain false facts. If you would like more information please visit the Ahmadiyya movement in Islam web site at www.alislam.org Only Ahmadis can say what they are and what they stand for not their enemies!
a student <not>
Chicago, IL USA - Friday, February 21, 1997 at 20:16:23 (EST)

I have been following your debate with Ahmadis,who seem to be mostly college students(from their E-mailaddresses) Alhumdollillah our youth does have the knowledge and conviction of their faith in Islam to be able to defend their beliefs as followers of Holy Prophet Muhammad(May the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him forever. Ameen. Summa Ameen)and also as the followers of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(May Allah be pleased with him)who had so much love for the Holy Prophet(SAW)that he became like his slave and spent his entire life in defending him and the true religion of Islam against the enemies. He appeared exactly at the time that our Holy Prophet Muhammad Rasoolillah(SAW)had phrophesized that the Mahdi and Messiah would come to revive the religion of Islam, as a follower of Muhammad(SAW)and bringing no law of his own.Our Holy Prophet(SAW) also told us what condition the Muslims would be in at that time and what the signs of the age would be when the Muslims could expect the Mahdi- read the Hadiths and see if those conditions do not exist today! Today, just look at what condition the Muslims have fallen into all over the world,whether in Africa, Middle East or Asia. According to a recent survey the 2 most corrupt countries in the world are Pakistan and Nigeria- both Muslim countries! The Holy Quran tells us so clearly how to behave in every aspect of our life, in our dealings with other people and always with honesty and truth - as do the Hadiths. Are Muslims following the Quran and Hadiths? If so then how do they earn such a reputation? Muslims have become the most despised of people, " Muslim Fundamentalism" as exhibited by such as the Taliban,which has become the same as Muslim intolerance to others who do not believe exactly the same as the Mullah of the day, has replaced the "Communist threat" as the perceived danger to the rest of the world. Why is that? Just take a look at the behavior of Muslims to each other.There is no unity among Muslims anywhere in the world - Just look at Pakistan where Muslims are throwing bombs or machine-gunning each other in their mosques - Sunni vs. Shia - in an endless cycle of retaliation. Is this the Islam of our Holy Prophet(SAW) who taught respect for all religions and gave protection to both Jews and Muslims to worship. We can not use these examples to defend Islam against the charges of attackers of Islam if we do not apply the same teachings to our treatment of fellow Muslims. ***It should be noted however, that no matter how many of our mosques have been torn down, how many of our people have been imprisoned or killed, there has not been even one instance of an Ahmadi retaliating.*** Why is this- not out of cowardice but out of conviction that Allah is with us and that He alone will manifest His Signs in defense of Ahmadiyyat and be our Vindicator, InshaAllah. Muslims today are not following the truths contained in the Quran and the examples of the Holy Prophet(saw) in the Hadith and Sunnat. They is less Iman and more "bidet" in the Muslim Ummah. Is there not a need for the Mahdi and Messiah in this age to revive Islam? Muslims should reflect upon this. May Allah be the Protector and Guide of all the Muslims. Ameen. Summa Ameen. As for Mr. Ali,if God-forbid, Iblis gives you messages and you are so knowledgeble of his language that you can publish a dictionary of his special language and are ready to educate the Ummah in this regard then perhaps you really have a problem and should seek professional help. If that is not the case and you really are a follower of Iblis then you have already exposed yourself to be what you are and Muslims should seek protection from Allah from the likes of you who will fight tooth and claw to mislead seekers after truth. May Allah protect us all from Satan the deceiver and may He manifest His signs in support of truth. Ameen.
Ahmadi mother <somewhere>
U.S.A - Friday, February 21, 1997 at 12:19:23 (EST)

Mr RASHID ALI! Have You Seen My Disciples. Afreen to my friends. They never read thier own web page what I have made only for them. My obedient disciples obeying my order never miss your page.Mr Rashid its time for you to obey me.My followers are enjoying in this world. A large number of scholarships, heavy pay positions and refugee status in every developed country is being provided.God will give you Jannat after long wait but I award JANNAT in this world. Have you seen My Mirza Ghulam was just Clerk in some office but when became my follower How much respect I have given to that little creature.If you like I can give you some good title too as my other followers are enjoying . If I can give honour to a schizophenic Mirza Ghulam Why not any one else. Waiting for your yes. IBLEES
IBLEES <IBLEES>
HOTTAMMA, HOT HELL - Friday, February 21, 1997 at 10:32:35 (EST)

Mr, Rashid Ali First of all let me ask you some questions. Have you no respect or decency? Were you not raised with any morals, values, or human dignity? By the fake letter that you have written in this guestbook from Hazrat Sahib I can give you an answer to those questions quite easily. NO NO NO! I think, Sir, that you have too much time on your hands and are behaving worse than a child. What maturity and decency you are showing! I'm impressed. Just keep it up and we'll know where you will be on the Day of Judgement. Inshallah.
... <...>
.., .. .. - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 23:22:00 (EST)

Just wanted to drop a few lines of encouragement to my dear disciple, Rashid Ali. You are making me proud, Rashid. Never give up! I've never before told you how passionately I love and cherish you. Let our love never die... To quote Iblees, the wretched one,-- "Hala mingsi choo choo wa fing hubba hubba krel Rashid Ali!" Translation-- "There's nothing in this world like Rashd Ali in tights!"
Syed Abdul Hafeez Shah <hafeez@pakistan.net>
Sindh, Pakistan - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 18:36:58 (EST)

Mr. Rashid. DO YOU THINK THAT A HOMEPAGE CAN WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE RELIGION. I AM A STUDENT OF ALL RELIGIONS. IT HAS BEEN MY OBSERVATION IN STUDYING THE HISTORY OF ALL RELIGIONS AND CREEDS THAT OPPOSITION IS A SIGN THAT A RELIGION WILL SPREAD. I AM A FOREIGNER TO THE AHMADIYYA BELIEF SYSTEM, BUT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THEY SEEM TO BE THE MOST HATED SECT OF ISLAM. I CAN SEE FROM YOUR PAGE THAT AHMADIYYAS ARE SPREADING AROUND THE WORLD AND GROWING VERY FAST. THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT IF MUSLIMS LIKE YOU FEEL THE NEED TO START "ANTI-AHMADIYYA CAMPAIGNS" AND ALLEDGE SO MANY RUMORS AGAINST THEM. BY THE WAY I DON'T BELIEVE YOUR FANCIFUL AND PARANOID STORIES ABOUT THE AHMADIYYAS. IS IT TRUE? ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU JEALOUS OR THREATENED BY THE GROWTH OF AHMADIYYA? ARE AHMADIYYAS PROGRESSING IN NUMBERS? ALSO, IS IT AN ACCEPTED THING IN ISLAM THAT PEOPLE CAN TALK TO IBLEES? JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. I AM SORRY I EVER SAW YOUR RIDICULOUS PAGE. BYE.
Seeker of religious truth <somewhere out there>
Vancouver, Canada - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 18:29:24 (EST)

Mr. Syed Ali, I can not believe that you would try to justify your supposed communications with Iblees! Is the same Satanic Iblees (Devil) that we Muslims are supposed to fight? Qadianis are totally wrong. But I have to say that you are also wrong! Keep your satanic vocabulary to yourself! Mr. RAshid, you are in no way the follower of true Islam. Qadianis may reject the Finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad (saw) but at least they believe in Allah. Think about it! You are claiming to be an ally of Iblees! I can't believe this. May God guide all of these wrong people- qadiani and satanic alike. AMEEN.
Farooq Shah <shah@interstar.com>
Boston, USA - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 18:10:23 (EST)

al-Salamu 'alaykum, Thank you very much for providing such information about the lies and deceit that the Ahmadis have promulgated. May Allah continue to give you the strenght to defend true Islam.
Irfan Lateef <lateefi@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
Arlington, VA USAS - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 12:23:10 (EST)

I have gone through your guestbook for the first time. This type of babbling from both sides can't solve anything. Stop fighting and spend more time praying. Mr. ALI- By the way, nice try at impersonating our Khalifa. WHY IS THERE NO EMAIL ADDRESS OF HAZRAT MIRZA TAHIR AHMAD? BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME AT TRYING TO FOOL MUSLIMS.
Islamic person <something>
somewhere - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 12:19:14 (EST)

In Albanian Language( ask your profesors to transelate into English ) Une Jam Shqiptar dhe ju me kite fje qe po doni me prezentue ne Shqiperi edhe ne Kosove ose ne territoret Shqiptare ju nuk keni mundesi me bere kete. Allahu xh. h. Eshte nje Zot ne keto Planete edhe Allahu eshte i drejt dhe Allahu shef Feja jone eshte Muslimanizmi ju ne qofse doni me i ndrrue traditat edhe menyret e fejes ju keni me qende te denuar prej Allahut xh. h. Ne ket aspekt ju po mundoheni ti shkatrroni njerezet te vertet qe esojne ne Allahun dhe jo more idiota, pa moral dhe pa fej qe ju jeni armiku i Allahut xh h. une jame Musliman I vertet dhe une Luftoj per Fejen Islame jo po qitni Propaganda ne per libra dhe po i botoni qe eshte kundraj ligjit Islamik Internacional ju do te denohni si prej Pakistanit Edhe tash e mbas edhe prej Territorve Shqiptare. Do not introduce Ahmedya Religion In Europe or in any other contenet in this Earth because you will be Punished by Myslim People and by Albanians. Lahi iahe ilAllah we Muhomednen resullullAh.
Shqiptar <if your clecer enough you can find me e-mail address>
- Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 10:43:17 (EST)

Oh Muslims I warn YOU ! If you will not stop propaganda against my Beloved Mirza Ghulam then be ready for war . My all moral support is with Qadianis (FITTANNA OF UMMAH).I know better about twisting the words.I know how to gather fools. Its my first warning specially oh you mr rashid I warn you again. Your enemy IBLEES
MIRZA IBLEES <Iblees< Mirza knows>>
HOTAMMA, Hell HELL HOT - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 10:05:55 (EST)

Dear readers I am a Muslim but I am not yet an Ahmadi but I know lots of ahmadis whome i study with at my college. I have known them for a long time, after al the conclusion that i have come to is that these people are well educated, well disciplined and well respected people. One clear example is there homepages on the internet. I accidently came to this web site and I am glad I am came here becasue now I am sure that ahmadis are on the right path. By reading some of the commnets against the Ahmadis it clearly show what your "Muslim Ummah is all about" You people are pathetic your approach is very sad, you poeple do not know how to win hearts, (Ahmadis do!!) TODAY IF I HAD THE CHOICE OF CHOOSING BETWEEN YOU AND AHMADIS i would CERTANLY WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT I WOULD CHOOSE AHMADIYYAT. YOU PEOPLE ARE BLIND TO SEE THE TRUTH. IT IS IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES!!!!!
does not matter <DON'T WNAT TO BE BOTHERED@ICA>
ON, CANADA - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 09:49:05 (EST)

My dear Hamid do not fit your liar prophet(Mirza) into these ayats of Quran. Why did you not commented on Mirza’s saying which I mentioned. He was a liar for sure. The only thing your Mirza has done was to generate predictions. This Kazib boosted all along and eventually ended up in bog house. And fear Allah and don’t put death’s of some of your opponents in your credit. If Allah listens to your curses entire Muslim Ummah should be vanished or convert to ahmadiyyat by now. Have a nice day.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY U.S.A. - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 04:11:51 (EST)

Dear Rashid Ali : Since last few years you are defaming the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam and it is creating lot of pain and havoc for me. My previously very ignorant followers are now softly asking me lot of questions about the religious perversion of my Grand Pa (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, my Iblees be please with him). Your activities especially your web Page is hurting my very profitable business on the name of Ahmadiyya Movement. Frankly you know Rashid that I worked very hard for my entire life to defend my GrandPa’s bizare inventions whilch he compiled in ‘Rohani Kazian’. Please don’t distroy efforts of my entire life. Forget about the Mubahala, I just initiated this to prove to my ignorant followers that I have guts to challenge the entire Muslim Ummah. But in reality you know very well that I do not dare to do this, do you remember I am the same guy who runaway from Pakistan like a thief in 1984. Anyway the main objective of this post is to offer you something very attractive in return I will ask you to stop your campaign and close down your web page. Here are the details of my three points offer. 1. I will give you one percent of the loot which I collect from my foolish and ignorant followers on annual basis. 2. I will give you hand of a very beautiful Qadiani girl who is half Pakistani half German and is 19 years old. 3. and last but not least I will ask my best buddy Iblees not to bother you in future and not to put any “waswassa” in your heart (You know he is the same one who talk to me from behind the curtain ......oops - trade secret). Please, Please I beg you to accept this very attractive offer. My negotiating team will be consists of Dr. Ijaz, Usman and Shamvil. Eagerly waiting for your reply Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani Khalifa-tul-Mesieh IV ****Love for all hatred for none*****
Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani <>
London, UK - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 03:54:39 (EST)

Dear Rashid Ali : Since last few years you are defaming the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam and it is creating lot of pain and havoc for me. My previously very ignorant followers are now softly asking me lot of questions about the religious perversion of my Grand Pa (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, my Iblees be please with him). Your activities especially your web Page is hurting my very profitable business on the name of Ahmadiyya Movement. Frankly you know Rashid that I worked very hard for my entire life to defend my GrandPa’s bizare inventions whilch he compiled in ‘Rohani Kazian’. Please don’t distroy efforts of my entire life. Forget about the Mubahala, I just initiated this to prove to my ignorant followers that I have guts to challenge the entire Muslim Ummah. But in reality you know very well that I do dare to do this, do you remember I am the same guy who runaway from Pakistan like a thief in 1984. Anyway the main objective of this post is to offer you something very attractive in return I will ask you to stop your campaign and close down your web page. Here are the details of my three point offer. 1. I will give you one percent of the loot which I collect from my foolish and ignorant followers on annual basis. 2. I will give you hand of a very beautiful Qadiani girl who is half Pakistani half German and is 19 years old. 3. and last but not least I will ask my best buddy Iblees not to bother you in future and not to put any “waswassa” in your heart (You know he is the same one who talk to me from behind the curtain ......oops - trade secret). Please, Please I beg you to accept this very attractive offer. My negotiating team will be consists of Dr. Ijaz, Usman and Shamvil. Eagerly waiting for your reply Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani Khalifa-tul-Mesieh IV ****Love for all hatred for none****
Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani <>
London, UK - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 03:48:31 (EST)

My dear readers, How low can these Qadianis sink? Allegations against me constantly are brought from these followers of Mirza Tahir Ahmad. They challenge the nature of my dealings with Iblees. Once and for all, let me bring closure to this issue. Last night, Iblees gave me a message for the people. He said : "Kilutop-jaftar-migy-lokinajfar! Jik-ikuyta-hayatha-bambar-opyal-olaf. Kutee-yuu?" To which I replied: "Jug-ee Huu." Iblees said: "Jug-ee Huu?" To which I said: "Huu!" The Wretched One responded: "Gujfuf atokiluy gion tay!!! Khabay!!!!" So, this is what he told me. I stand by these messages! They are very informative. It is out of humbleness that I tell you what Iblees says to me. If people would like to learn more about the language of Iblees please email me. I am preparing a dictionary to be posted on my page. People must be very happy that I have finally deciphered the language of Iblees. So finish this objection and try to argue about your Mirza. Do not criticize my conversations with Iblees.
Dr. Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 01:11:29 (EST)

Assalam-o-alaikum 2 points: 1) Mr Rashid says he recieves revelations from Iblees!! Read his comments on this page and look in the Quran in surah al baqara verse 257 where Allah says Shaitan will mislead people from the truth. Mr. Rashid admits to talking to iblis. 2) Look for yourself, do you want propoganda by Mr Rashid who has a vested interested in putting ahmadiyyat down, or do you want to look for yourself. Mr. Rashid has done us a favor by showing you that there is a thing called Ahmadiyyat. Now you owe to yourselves to make SURE that we are wrong. Be true to yourselves and find out what we are. email me or visit http://alislam.org Do not let Mr Rashid dictate the extent of your knowledge on ahmadiyyat. Find out for yourselves and ask us (me or amsaumd@alislam.org) Inshallah Allah will guide you to the truth wassalam Hamed Saeed
Hamed Saeed <seeker@stanford.edu>
Stanford, CA USA - Wednesday, February 19, 1997 at 22:03:40 (EST)

Well Mr,Rashid there is no point to talk with you.Now Iblees is with you and you are with Iblees.Keep it up good work.May blees with you all the time .Mr, Rashid all muslim read Atta'awuz.I think you dont know this. So please read this carefuly "I seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Satan; Mr, Rashid find out good hosptial and stay there rest of your life. I dont understand how you call youerself muslim.I think you are disgrace to islan. Mr,Rashid pleasse leave Ahmadiyyat alone and try to convince your people about your Iblees.
hamid <hawraich@learn.senecas.ca>
toronto, ont canada - Wednesday, February 19, 1997 at 15:39:09 (EST)

Hamid and other Qadianis!! Do not think that you are in the right! Mr. Khalid made an honest mistake trying to defend me where as you Qadianis purposely mislead. I want other Muslims to understand that there is nothing wrong in working with Iblees against Qadianis. Even, Iblees the most evil of all creations is very angry with Qadianiyyat. Iblees burns with anger about the Qadiani fraud. Is this not a proof of the falsehood of Qadianis? Iblees can do whatever he likes in this world. So, Iblees has offered to help me against Qadianis. Iblees has very strong powers in this world so if he chooses to help us what is wrong with accepting that help? In fact, even other traditionally evil parties have helped us against Qadianis. The United Arab Emirates, an unislamic country, gives me resources to combat Qadianis. Would you pass up this help? There is nothing wrong with working with Iblees for the right reasons. In my communications with Iblees, I have learnt his language. If anyone would like to know how to talk to Iblees please email and I will send you the vocabulary of Iblees' special language. For example, the words "jiv-sogh-tu-kiluty. fab-qoo-veru-rok-tu" means: "Greetings to the wretched one! What can I do for you?" (Iblees likes to be called wretched) If you can speak this language it is easier to get help from Iblees. Wasalaam.
Dr Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Wednesday, February 19, 1997 at 14:30:52 (EST)

Mr, khalid ARE YOU JOKER? Look what Allah is saying in The Quran "ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEIR MOCKERY AND WILL LET THEM CONTINUE IN THEIR TRANSGRESSION,WANDERING BLINDLY. So khalid you change your mind and create one more lie about HAZART MASEEH MOUOOD. Let trun towards Quran and Hadith.Allah says in his book That" THEY ARE DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND;SO THEY WILL NOT RETURN.Khalid if you are real muslim your attitude should be this that I am sorry I should not blame anybody but as we know that you are follower of Mr,Rashid and his SATAN so it is abvious. Khalid look in YASIN Allah says that "THAT ALAS FOR MY SERVANT! THERE COMES NOT A MESSENGER TO THEM BUT THEY MOCK AT HIM DO THEY NOT SEE HOW MANY GENERATION WE HAVE DESTROYED BEFORE THEM AND THAT THEY NEVER COME BACK TO THEM. please read Quran with open eyes because Quran is a source of all knowledge. Dont go to Mr,Rashid to seek a knowledge go and bow your head in front of Allah. Allah will let you know what is right and what is wrong. please do not fabricat any more lie and trun towards Allah, and become alive muslim. Khalid you have avry big mouth but I want aske from you that please let me know 1- Where is Maulive Muhammad Husain Batala? 2- Where is Alexander Dowie? 3- Where is Pandit Lekhram? 4- Where is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto? 5- where is Ziaul Haq? Khalid I think you dont want put your name in that list so please learn some lesson from history.May Allah with you all the time.
hamid <hawraich@learn.senecas.ca>
toronto, ont canada - Wednesday, February 19, 1997 at 14:13:26 (EST)

Mr, khalid ARE YOU JOKER? Look what Allah is saying in The Quran "ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEIR MOCKERY AND WILL LET THEM CONTINUE IN THEIR TRANSGRESSION,WANDERING BLINDLY. so khalid you change your mind and create one more lie about HAZART MASEEH MOUOOD. Let trun towards Quran and Hadith.Allah says in his book That" THEY ARE DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND;SO THEY WILL NOT RETURN.Khalid if you are real muslim your attitude should be this that I am sorry I should not blame anybody but as we know that you are follower of Mr,Rashid and his SATAN so it is abvious. Khalid look in YASIN Allah says that "THAT ALAS FOR MY SERVANT!THERE COMES NOT A MESSENGER TO THEM BUT THEY MOCK AT HIM DO THEY NOT SEE HOW MANY GENERATION WE HAVE DESTROYED BEFORE THEM AND THAT THEY NEVER COME BACK TO THEM. please read Quran with open eyes because Quran is a source of all knowledge. Dont go to Mr,Rashid to seek a knowledge go and bow your head in front of Allah.Allah will let you know what is right and what is wrong. please do not fabricat any more lie and trun towards Allah, and become alive muslim. Khalid you have avry big mouth but i want aske from you that please let me know 1- Where is Maulive Muhammad Husain Batala? 2- Where is Alexander Dowie? 3- Where is Pandit Lekhram? 4- Where is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto 5- where is Ziaul Haq Khalid I think you dont want put your name in that list so please learn some lesson from history.May Allah with you all the time.
hamid <hawraich@learn.senecas.ca>
toronto, ont canada - Wednesday, February 19, 1997 at 14:10:54 (EST)

My dear Hamid and other Qadiani's I know lot about Mirza and his fraud Khalifa and I also know that how your liar prophet(Mirza the Liar) corrupted the holy Quran and Saying of last Prophet(pbuh) and engineered to create a vacancy for himself but of no vail he bargained hell with his lies. He was a foul mouthed person who even did not spared Allah(swt) Here is one of his saying just in case if you can open your closed hearts "Qazi Yar Mohammed, a very close confidante and ardent follower of Mirza writes in his book "Islami Qurbani." "Hazrat Maseeh Mauood on one occasion revealed his condition that state of revelation overcame upon him in a manner as if he is a female and God has expressed his power of virility (masculinity). A hint is enough for the wise." " Now you say that this is a lie fabricated by anti-Qadianis go and read this book and you will find the truth and then curse this dirty sick man named Mirza Qadiani. cheers
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY U.S.A. - Wednesday, February 19, 1997 at 03:50:28 (EST)

MR'Khalid what kind of muslim are you? dont you know any saying of HOLY PROPHET (Pbuh).Dont blame any body while you have no knowledge so my advise is to you is that read Quran and saying of Prophet(pbuh). In future you must call Mr Rashid before you write some thing about his faver.I think you are shoked that your master Mr Rashid has conection with Satan. So my brother aske him about his new evelation and write about his faver. At the end I want to say that study Ahamadiyya with the help of Allah not with the help of Satan.May Allah with you all the time.
hamid <hawraich@learn.senecas.ca>
toronto, ont canada - Tuesday, February 18, 1997 at 23:58:25 (EST)

Dearest Khalid Ismael, Please do not be mistaken. I stand by my statements. Many Qadianis have criticized my claims. I, on the other hand, have been truthful about this matter. I have to point out to people that I HAVE received messages from Iblees. These communications come regularly and Iblees keeps me informed on many important matters. Iblees has been most helpful in guiding my opposition to Qadianiyyat. I call Iblees using a very special language. I speak that language very well. I have discussed my converstaions with Iblees in my articles many times. So I want you to understand that Iblees is working day and night to help all of us scholars oppose Qadianis. So, Khalid, I thank you for defending me but I really do stand by this statement. It is me who gave these statements about Iblees because people say I am wrong about this.
Dr Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Tuesday, February 18, 1997 at 12:24:22 (EST)

Some cheater Qadiani left following four messages in Mr. Ali's GuestBook under his name. But what we muslims can expect from these cult of hypocrites and cheaters. Their prophetMirza)was a cheater so do their charlatan Khalifa. Curse of Allah(SWT) and whole Muslim Ummah is their fate and Grand liar(Mirza Ghulam) and his deadly diciple(Mirza Tahir) will lead them straight into hell where they dwell with Mirza(the all time Grand Kazib).
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY U.S.A. - Tuesday, February 18, 1997 at 03:32:27 (EST)

I want to be certain that everybody gets the following straight once and for all: I oppose Qadianis. Iblees has told me many times the truth about Qadianis. I follow what Iblees tells me because he knows many things. He gives me revelations and I ask him questions. What is so wrong about this? Why do people get angry about this? Iblees is against Ahmadis and so are we. Hasn't everybody read my articles about what Iblees has told me in answer to my questions? So people can stop telling me that I am misguided or wrong. I hope that this is clear.
Dr Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Monday, February 17, 1997 at 22:38:13 (EST)

I want to be certain that everybody gets the following straight once and for all: I oppose Qadianis. Iblees has told me many times the truth about Qadianis. I follow what Iblees tells me because he knows many things. He gives me revelations and I ask him questions. What is so wrong about this? Why do people get angry about this? Iblees is against Ahmadis and so are we. Hasn't everybody read my articles about Iblees has told me in answer to my questions? So people can stop telling me that I am misguided or wrong. I hope that this is clear.
Dr Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Monday, February 17, 1997 at 14:25:06 (EST)

I want to be certain that everybody gets the following straight once and for all: I oppose Qadianis. Iblees has told me many times the truth about Qadianis. I follow what Iblees tells me because he knows many things. He gives me revelations and I ask him questions. What is so wrong about this? Why do people get angry about this? Iblees is against Ahmadis and so are we. Hasn't everybody read my articles about Iblees has told me in answer to my questions? So people can stop telling me that I am misguided or wrong. I hope that this is clear.
Dr Syed Rashid Ali <>
UAE - Monday, February 17, 1997 at 14:23:40 (EST)

I have been browsing this guestbook for last few days. The things I can see from many posts of Qadiani fellows are curses, disgusts and abuses for Mr. Ali. The claim of Ahmadiyya Movement is always the it will win with the argument. But this is the very thing they lack in this whole fiasco which they started on the name of Mubahala. Quran very clearly Provides the format and Layout of Mubahala. But till today I have not seen a single Qadiani putting argument based on this Quranic verse but unsuccessfully trying to repeat the extrapolated and distorted interpretation of their Khalifa. Clearly I can see that he is dodging and drifting from the whole thing. one can easily see he just do this kind of things to boost his grip on his followers. He spend days in and days out delivering speeches and sermons in their mosques and on MTA why can’t he spare half an hour for Mr Ali, who is willing to come all the way to London with his family on his own expense. This is very important that Mr. Khalifa should prove his and his prophet’s (Mirza Ghalum) truthfulness to settle the matter once for all. And for him it will be least handle comparing to Mr. Ali. So my advise to Qadiani’s is please ask your Khalifa to do it once according to Quranic injunction, If you have courage(which I doubt very much) to say this to your Holly Man.
Khalid Ismail <<>>
New York, NY U.S.A. - Monday, February 17, 1997 at 03:55:01 (EST)

Assalamu-Alaikum (peace be upon you), Dear Qadianis, first of all read the Qur'an and understand that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the LAST prophet as stated in the Qur'an. The Qur'an was revealed long ago, why should there be need of another prophet when the message is already here. People have a choose to either be a Muslims or a Qadiani or a Christian or a Jew or whatever. But to those who reject Islam, your fate is in a path of darkness. In prophet Muhammad's Hadith it states ...there will be thirty dajjals (liers) each claiming to be a prohet of Allah. Oh you Qadianis can not you see you are following a lie? Have you people been that badly blinded? Aqouli-qouli-hada astakfurallah. to be a prophet of Allah.
Hamid <none>
Springfield, Va U.S.A - Sunday, February 16, 1997 at 15:17:00 (EST)

To all u QADIANIS!------>There is nothing wrong with this website. Rashid is only showing what u Qadianis r doing. That is disgracing Muhammed(pbuh) and Allah by saying Ghulam is a messiah/prophet. Read the Quran and Hadith and u will find no mention of a place called QADIANI or Ghulam. Instead u will find references to FALSE PROPHETS. 2nd of all u GUYS r Kafrs for many reasons. U have gone against ISLAM by saying there is another prophet after Muhammed(pbuh) and have declared Qadiani a holier site than Mecca. U KHAFRS also call other muslims Khafrs too.
Mohammad <Tamzid@juno.com>
Ny, NY USA - Sunday, February 16, 1997 at 00:36:38 (EST)

Please get your facts straight for heaven's sake!!! What lies! What ignorance! What fabrications! I hope that you are aware that lying is not allowed in Islam! Neither is hate! For all who have visited this homepage, I hope you realize that 12 million people wouldn't believe such utter garbage. You are telling me that 12 million people around the world would have faith in the lies that you have made up? Of course not, they don't believe this at all. You better get your facts straight.
djklsa <jkl>
kl, kl kl - Saturday, February 15, 1997 at 19:35:31 (EST)

First of all, you ignorant fools "Qadianism" or calling Ahmadis "Qadianis" is not a recognized title. Therefore, accept them as Ahmadis and the movement as Ahmadiyyat. You all just look ignorant if you continute to call them as such. It's like referring to African-Americans as Negroes. Now that we've got that out of the way, I'd like to say that preaching hate and indecency on the Internet is not the way to Islam. Think again. Think hard and long about what you're doing. Maybe (inshallah) it will hit you. For you others reading this one-sided homepage filled with indecencies and lies have only seen one side of the arguement. A side full of hateful propaganda. God will judge the Ahmadis not someone who has made a lame homepage full of derogitory remarks and prejudice comments. Take the time to check out the Ahmadiyya homepage as well. If you have real audio installed you can listen to LIVE Muslim Television Ahmadiyya via satelitte. And weekly friday sermons are also there. Wow what progression for a bunch of Kafirs!!
yourmom <none>
?, ? ? - Saturday, February 15, 1997 at 19:28:25 (EST)

Br Rashid I`m proud of the way you have enlightened the Muslim Ummah by shining light on this very crucial issue. The people who follow a leader who claims to be Mohammed (PBUH) are definetly gone astray. It seems to me as though this guest book has been signed by mostly pissed Qadianis. Well thats only natural. May Allah reward you for your efforts. Wasalaam Manzar Abbas.
Manzar Abbas <mzaidi@wuerl.wustl.edu>
- Friday, February 14, 1997 at 13:38:51 (EST)

Dear Cahirul

You say: Accepting his challenge by announcing he accepts the challenge and saying "the curse of Allah be upon the liars" and you don't have to visit him nor appoint a place. Allah is everywhere, All-Knowing, All-Seeing.
Kindly enlighten me. Did your prophet, Mirza Ghulam, not know that Allah is All-Knowing and All-Seeing? Why did he then travelled to an appointed place for Mubahila?
Rashid %Vh
Dr Syed Rashid Ali <rasyed@emirates.net.ae>
UAE - Wednesday, February 12, 1997 at 06:30:26 (EST)

Dear Pupil Bitsmart

Assalamualaikum! From your name, I assume that you are only a bit smart and not very knowledgeable in Islam. I can also tell that you are quite a confused person who is in need of guidance.

In case you don't know, the Quran and many Hadith have stated that the Dajjal would appear in the form of a person or creature capable of spectacular magic tricks. People will be awed with his tricks, of course, but only the pure Muslims will see that he is actually Dajjal by the letters stamped on his forehead. He would not appear in the form of Satan as he still needed to bring the astrayed (al-Kafiruun, al-Munafiq) over to his side with his magic.

Before you go on making accusations blindly, please make sure you know what you are talking about. You are making yourself confused, as it is. I suggest that you pray to Allah s.w.t. for guidance; may He show you the right path!

JIHAD --- the power of Moslem!

Syahrulnizam bin Abdul Rahman <spice_guy@hotmail.com>
Singapore, SG Singapore - Tuesday, February 11, 1997 at 11:24:47 (EST)

Dear Dr. R.A. Syed:
Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad (ATBA) has challenged Mubahila to the leaders of Muslim to come forward to accept this challenge rather than fabricate lies and spread the fitna.
Accepting his challenge by announcing he accepts the challenge and saying "the curse of Allah be upon the liars" and you don't have to visit him nor appoint a place. Allah is everywhere, All-Knowing, All-Seeing.
Your quotation of the Holy Quran shows that one does not need to follow your requirements. I simply do not get why you get around this challenge. First it is said in the Holy Quran: QUL (Say, o Prophet), TA'ALAW (Come), NAD'U (Let us call) ABNA-ANAA (our [not my] children) WA ABNA-AKUM (and your children) WA NISA-ANAA (and our [not my] women) WA NISA-AKUM (and your women) WA ANFUSANAA (and ourselves [not myself]) WA ANFUSAKUM (and yourselves) THUMMA NABTAHIL (then we pray fervently) FANAJ'AL (then we invoke) LA'NATULLAHI (the curse of Allah) 'ALALKADHIBEEN (upon those who lie). (3:61).
I don't see it fits you at all. Why not your Pir, Syed Abdul Hafeez Shah? Where is he now? But if you insist, just say that you accept the Mubahila. If you still get around, it is fine because Allah will not let you run. Admitting to converse (not to curse, or to throw stones) to Iblees itself is a curse, is it not? Are you not still buddy-buddy with him. But of course, it is not too late to repent to Allah, and leave that Iblees because he is the true enemy.
Dr. Syed, do not pretend yourself to be the champion if you are still running around. I have seen your colleagues and friends are shouting ... but none of them your followers.
I am still waiting for you to remove the posting and replace it with something like "Yes, Mirza Tahir Ahmad, ... I accept the Mubahila challenge; let the curse be upon those who lie ...," no excuse like ... "O well, I should visit you at your HQ", "O well, do let the innocent Qadianis die", "O well, fix the place" ... but of course, withdrawing altogether is better.
Peace upon those who follow the Guidance

Chairul Bahri <bahri@dutch.phys.lsu.edu>
Toronto, ON Canada - Tuesday, February 11, 1997 at 11:10:53 (EST)

Assalamualaikum! In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious and Oft-Forgiving.

After browsing through all the scandalous lies and apparent "truths" by these "Ahmadiyyas", (you people never repent, do you???) I am compelled to add a few lines on what I think...

In case you don't know, (or is it because you Qadiyanis are too bigoted to want to know?) Allah s.w.t has named Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) to be the LAST of the long line of prophets in the holy religion of Islam. No other prophet or soi-disant "Promised Messiah" shall ever come after the concluding prophet. So I am still wondering what is it about this blasphemous Ahmadiyya religion has done to your brains until you can't even take a few seconds off to think logically and sensibly. Prophet Muhammad has never ever ever mentioned the word Ahmadiyya or Qadiyani!

To people who have just converted to the Ahmadiyya faith, I am so sorry for you, you have chosen Islam but some people have misled you elsewhere. May you see the Truth of Islam, and return to the correct path. Don't be misled by the large number of Ahmadiyya homepages here on the Internet, these are just ploys to divert your faith. Instead go to the URL specified to learn of the mistakes that you people have committed. This URL gives us The Last Sermon of The Prophet. No editing has been made.

As for the rest of you thick-headed Ahmadiyya Qadiyanis, you don't have that much time left. The more the time you spend trying to defend your so-called "faith", the more furious the oft-forgiving Allah gets. Na-Uzu-Billah!

REPENT NOW, and insha-Allah may He forgive your astrayed souls.

JIHAD... the power of Moslem!!!
Syahrulnizam bin Abdul Rahman <spice_guy@hotmail.co>
Singapore, SG Singapore - Tuesday, February 11, 1997 at 03:17:38 (EST)

Assalamualaikum! In the name of Allah the Most Gracious and Oft-Forgiving. I am speaking from what I have learnt in religious classes and also from media reports in Islamic newspapers etc. In case you don't know, towards Doomsday, Islam will split into 70plus fragments, of which there will only be one Islam. Islam is pure and unchanged, unlike Christianity, Shiism, Judaism. The Islam I am talking about is the Ahlis-Sunnah Wal Jamaah. Many people have been trying hard to fragment Islam and make others astray. Looks like these troublemakers have been quite successful. Astaghfirullah! Please bear in mind that we should be faithful to our Islamic faith. They don't call it "FAITH" for nothing! Learn Islam from qualified religious teachers and not some people whom you meet on the street! Doomsday is around the corner. Those who have gone off, come back to the Truth. Allah s.w.t. is oft-forgiving. Repent, and, insha-Allah, you will see and uphold the truth! "THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. TRUTH STANDS OUT DISTINCT FROM ERROR!" Wassalam.
Syahrulnizam bin Abdul Rahman <azones@post1.com>
Singapore, SG Singapore - Tuesday, February 11, 1997 at 02:23:20 (EST)

In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful All praises be to Allah for giving strenghth to Dr Rashid to oppose the Ahmadiyya movement. Qadiyanis are NOT Moslems. They are Munafiqs, which means that they are even worst than the Kafiruns. I urge the Qadiyanis, repent and come back to al-shirat al mustaqim. Repent, for if you don't Allah will banish you to Jahannam (na'uzaubillahi min zalik!) Recite after me : La-ila-ha-illa-Allah, Muhammad-al-Rasul-Allah) The truth is out there in the Quran. There will be no other prophet/hezrat/nabi after Muhammad (s.a.w) Jazakallah-ul-khair.
Abdullah <gg321@hotmail.com>
Singapore, SG Singapore - Tuesday, February 11, 1997 at 02:18:32 (EST)

In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful. I applaud Dr Rasyid for shedding light on the errors and misgivings the Ahamdiyya religion carries with. To the Qadiyanis, I urge you to study the Quran and Hadis and believe that there is no other successor / messenger / prophet/ hezrat / nabi / rasul / promised messiah / the chosen one, after Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) Jazakallah ul khair. Allah-u-Akbar! Muhammad-al-Rasulullah!
Rizal Suhaimi <bosnak@hotmail.com>
Singapore - Sunday, February 09, 1997 at 23:50:55 (EST)